Covid is a conspiracy

[GreatestShowUnicorn]

Can someone explain this to me? I keep hearing about it but not sure what/why people believe this.

@CoffeeandCroissant

Often an anti-Semitic element to them too.

That one is particularly bizarre because Jewish people have been hit harder than most by Covid!

@Defenbaker

I blame a lot of it on the X Files TV series. I was watching some old repeats recently and it's amazing how many of the plot lines are actually believed as truth by David Icke and his followers. I even wondered if Icke got his crazy ideas from that series in the first place, but a quick google indicates he started with his theories around 1991, while the series began airing in 1993, so maybe the writers pinched ideas from him.

Late at night, when I'm bored, I've occasionally gone down the rabbit hole and watched some of Icke's vids on Youtube. He seems to believe all his crazy theories, but then again he's probably made a good living out of it all, so who knows what's really going on in his head?

For me, no matter how plausible those theories might be, it all rests on one thing - could so many people around the world a) agree to co-operate on such a huge scale and b) keep such huge secrets for so long? For me, the answer to both questions is no.

I used to love the X Files (mostly because I fancied Mulder) but always preferred the standalone scary monsters episodes. So much more enjoyable than the conspiracy stuff. That just bored me. I don't know if Icke is mad or bad or both. Either way I think he's quite dangerous.

X files did not make people believe in these theories!! Icke for example clearly has a delusional disorder and is unwell that he is very convincing and other paranoid people watch him and believe it too!!

My mum believes it's a conspiracy. They're confusing the world to bring about the new world order or such like, also to harvest DNA and mind control people with a vaccine, to diminish identity with masks etc. She believes it so much she actually got sacked from her job for gross misconduct (no mask, temperature taken, flu jab etc). She stopped talking to me in march because I said to my uncle that it's possible I had covid

I find some conspiracy theories fascinating. I think in part what fuels them is there is often a cover up/element of truth which allows theories to flourish. I mean at some point would Harvey W & Jeffrey Es antics have been considered conspiracy theories?

@smallpotatoes7 You're right - obviously that TV series is not really to blame for people believing conspiracy theories, but it was very popular and may have planted the seeds in some people's brains.

Icke does seem very delusional, although he speaks very eloquently, so I can understand why some people find him convincing. He might even be right about some things (eg: wealthy people making unsavoury deals behind the scenes to cover dodgy behaviour/protect their corporations), but I can't believe that the Royal family are shape shifting lizards! 😁 That theory is something he seems to have nicked from the plotline of the sci fi series V (80s?).

I'm surprised anyone still doubts that the Covid 19 virus is for real - surely people can't think that the worldwide coverage of victims and their distraught families is all fake news?

Re David Icke being very eloquent. A relative posted a video on Facebook of Icke's son speaking at a rally in London and he was a very good speaker (in my opinion) came across as very calm and reasoned. I can certainly see why he might appeal to people.

@OutComeTheWolves

Re David Icke being very eloquent. A relative posted a video on Facebook of Icke's son speaking at a rally in London and he was a very good speaker (in my opinion) came across as very calm and reasoned. I can certainly see why he might appeal to people.

Some of the nastiest and/or most delusional conspiracy theorists and members of the far right can put on a facade of calm reason. I think they're the most dangerous. Much more so than the stereotypical thick thug.

Nick Griffin of the BNP is privately educated and has an Oxbridge degree. I assume he's able to speak eloquently when he wants (even if it what he says is hate filled bile).

@SheepandCow yes that's a good point about Nick Griffin. Ultimately I think with him once he started getting a platform & people could scrutinise what he was actually saying, people saw him for what he really was.

I wonder if that would work here. If Icke or someone similar were given a platform to discuss their thoughts with experts if it would shine a light on the inconsistencies and flaws in their theories.

When something random happens that's negative and out of our control, it's understandable that frightened people cling to notions that:

(a) lead them to believe there's a guiding hand or a grand plan to it all - that's it's not pretty much lottery; and/or

(b) offer comfort that it's not as bad as it seems and a normality is imminent.

I think conspiracy theories are the inevitable outcome of neoliberalism

@Ophelia2020

I'm no flat earthier but I don't like that Bill Gates has such an influence on global health policies. His obsession with vaccines worries me a lot.

Isn't it possible that he's just a man with more money than he could ever spend who wants to do something good for the world? Obsession with vaccines = a desire to eradicate preventable diseases? Or would you prefer he kept his nose out and spent all day in his mansion, counting his billions?

I find they usually are started by Americans a bit ironic really but there are lots of conspiracies spoken about so can't keep up with which is which.

If the combined effort of the all the conspiraciests was put into getting rid of the virus it probably would have vanished by now

@seayork2020
I don't know. There are several high profile British conspiracy theorists. Isn't Icke British? Piers Corbyn too.
I think you could probably find one in every country in the world.

Agree with your second point. To think of the time, energy, and money (lots of it) that they've spent on their theories including Covid denial. What a waste!

*Who can really believe that all the governments of the world, people who as a general rule can barely agree with each other that the sun is yellow, have suddenly decided to all conspire together to get the global populace to believe there is a virus that may kill them.

To what end? What is the ultimate goal of this massive conspiracy?*

This is what i dont understand...? Most conspiracy theories have clear motives or someone that stands to gain a lot from them. Considering how many countries have suffered a massive economic downturn it difficult to see who would benefit?

Unless the owners of andrex, detol, carex etc have so much influence over world leaders....?

@Bluemooninmyeyes1

Best one I’ve heard so far- they want us to all stay indoors so they can recharge the batteries in the birds

Ha ha ha ha ha ......... I almost wish this were true. Superb