Scottish teens aged 15-19 driving rising rates

[monkeytennis97]

Covid-19 in Scotland: Sharp spike in infections among teenagers www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54314910

Surely NS must try to improve the situation here. I read that France had a third of outbreaks in educational settings. The PHE report shows more outbreaks in educational settings than anywhere else this week too.

When are the U.K. government going to do something??!!

Why the speechmarks for cases??

@Piggywaspushed

It's not about their hospital admissions , though. It's about spread.

Exactly.

@monkeytennis97

Are 17 year olds at uni in Scotland?

Yes, lots of them. Potentiality half of freshers will be 17. I wish people would figure stuff like that out before sharing articles they haven't even read and understood properly.

You don't think any of that came from pressure from government, from the student body themselves, and from other active pressure groups senga?

Ooo ouch! But the 15 and 16 year olds are still in schools?

I understand it. I also understand that it stands to reason if 17- 19 year olds are driving spikes in Scotland, they also will in other home nations.

@Piggywaspushed

I understand it. I also understand that it stands to reason if 17- 19 year olds are driving spikes in Scotland, they also will in other home nations.

Exactly

I was 16 and at Uni in Scotland

Is there a PH report which breaks the settings down for Scotland?

@monkeytennis97

Ooo ouch! But the 15 and 16 year olds are still in schools?

Yes. And some 17 year olds. Potentially some 18 year olds as well if they had an extra year at nursery before starting P1.

Not so black and white is it?

No but I did also mention France and PHE in my OP.

OK pixie but this does not mean there aren't plenty of 16 and 17 years olds at school in Scotland! My friend got married at 16 in Scotland! It doesn't mean all Scottish 16 year olds are married...

I don't get what you are splitting hairs over Clarence. Their age is there in black and white. Young people, whatever their setting, are driving the spike.

Yes there a breakdown of cases by age - 15-19 would include, as discussed, both school and students. It'd be interesting to see how many of those cases are in 15/16 year olds.

Also the people I see flouting the rules most anecdotally are my age - in their 30s with kids.

Just a scared secondary teacher here... with a scared secondary teacher DH too. 50 years teaching between us. Finding it hard to cope with the lack of a shit that is given about our colleagues safety and our own.

Really needs a further breakdown of the 15-19 year old age group to see which actual age is driving cases. The article suggests it is the upper level of the age group

I wish they would split that age group down a bit. They have the data so must know whether it's really 18-19.

My point being the rise in cases is more likely down to the swathes of uni kids being tested.

I'm in Scotland, I assume the OP isnt given their lack of knowledge. Schools are doing ok and have been back since early August.

So given that these cases are reported from mid Sept and refer to an age group where there is a large uni age group I'd assume if is the return of uni causing the 'spike' e see, which will settle down.

The evidence for schools doing 'OK' is highly subjective.

The article does suggest that pixie, yes, because that is the media angle. There isn't evidence unless we see a breakdown of settings. It probably is unis, but we don't know.

I too read that schools are becoming the epicentre and have overtaken care homes as the setting with the most infections.
I didn't post on here as I couldn't link the article but it is on PHE website.
It seems to be hushed up by the mainstream news though with them still pushing the information that schools are covid secure and children don't transmit.

I am very worried, worried about my daughter bringing it home to me as I am vulnerable and worried schools will have to close again if it gets out of control.
They will not keep schools open if it spreads so much that the N.H.S becomes under pressure.

They had months to come up with a decent plan for schools, the 'business as usual, nothing to see here' approach is failing and we are heading for another shitstorm.

3 kids at 3 different schools for 8 weeks now. No closures, one positive test in one of the secondary schools dealt with well.

Lots of friends in lots of different areas, all with similar experiences. Purely anecdotal I know, but doing ok as far as I can see.

But the 15/16 year olds haven't changed their "setting". They will still, in the main, be living at home, and be comparatively controlled by their parents and high school rules. Uni students will be forming new households, with people from all over the country, having been "freed" from the controls of home and having freedom (as much as is possible at the moment) to control their leisure time/develop new friendships/ go out and about to pubs and so on. This is a much larger change in "setting" over the past month than 15/16 year old have experienced, and although there have been cases/outbreaks in high school settings since August, these have been relatively quickly controlled and haven't driven spread in the community, as is happening here. So it seems logical it is the older in the group rather than the younger that is driving the new spread - because this is the demographic that has changed recently.

Unis in Scotland have been back a couple of weeks now. I would imagine the same will be seen in England in a week or so, with larger numbers involved, as there are more unis in England/Wales than Scotland (though without the 17year olds, mostly). This is quite worrying, and I would expect most unis to develop a similar "lock down on pain of being expelled" on pubs/clubs and socialising outside of households as in Scotland. Even if Boris doesn't introduce one.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/921561/Weekly_COVID19_Surveillance_Report_week_39_FINAL.pdf

foobydoo I think this is the link you mean. Schools have been back 3 weeks ish in England. Can’t believe the government has provided no extra money to help schools deal with Covid.

Sorry just realised this is a Scottish thread and I’ve just stick on English data. Apologies