14 days is just too long

[Jourdain11]

I understand the reason why the quarantine period was increased, but at the same time, I wonder if compliance wouldn't be much better if it was 7 days (or even 10) rather than 14.

Apparently compliance is only at about 18% - so, if you had a 7 day quarantine instead and compliance was say, 50%, surely the overall impact of quarantining would be better?

14 days is long - if your primary-age child is put into quarantine that's 2 weeks that a parent has to take off work. 2 weeks that a student has to stay cooped up in their room in halls. 2 weeks that an asymptomatic person who is feeling perfectly healthy and well has to sit inside the 4 walls of their home and can't take any exercise (which can't be good for health...).

I just wonder if a shorter quarantine period would be seen as more manageable, and therefore more people would actually make an effort to manage it.

Ok. We just need to ask the virus to kindly have a shorter incubation period then....

The 14 days is 14 days because that's how long it can take to develop symptoms. There's no way around that I'm afraid.

The trouble is with quarantine periods is that viruses don't giving a flying feck whether the period of time they incubate, is manageable for the people contracting the virus!

When the 10 day quarantine for those with symptoms was reduced to 7 days, it left a lot of people scratching their heads...and it was quickly realised that it was not long enough to reduce the spread

The 14 days incubation period (for those with contact, but no symptoms) has not changed I don't think.

14 days is the maximum length of time though, is it not? And most people would develop symptoms earlier. It's not likely to be 14 days, just possible.

Wouldn't it be better to have more people observing quarantine properly during the period they're most likely to be infectious, rather than only 18% observing 14 days?

It would be better if people just followed the fucking rules!

Yes, and if they don't?

If they don't they're extremely selfish and should be fined.

I don't know tbh...I just really don't think the way is to say, 'ah well, we're obviously a country of such freethinking funsters who can't abide by the rules, that we're going to have to just pretend that the virus incubation period is shorter than it actually is.' It feels like giving the chocolate buttons to the toddler whose just kicked you in the shins and stamped their foot, screaming for the buttons.

I just feel a bit despairing at it all today, overhearing parents outside school saying they 'don't think it exists...it's all been exagerrated...they're not going to stay home for 14 days....well they couldn't get a test, so what can they do...' all whilst they're dropping their children into school with my medically vulnerable child. It makes me want to rage at the way this has all been handled and the mentality of so many people who can't see that we have to act in a socially responsible way if we are going to get through this ok.

Oooof.

Sorry. Needed to get that off my chest.

who is going to tell the virus to change its incubation period?

If we had an efficient testing, and tracing system, surely the whole 14 days thing wouldn't be relevant? So if you were a contact, you'd get a test, then go from there.

Or am I missing something?

You've completely misunderstood the research. Spreading misinformation is not helpful at all.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-self-isolation-uk-rules-symptoms-police-fines-b594240.html

But on the flip side, there's nothing particularly healthy about an asymptomatic or potential uninfected person having to isolate for 14 days?

What if there is domestic abuse in the home? What if this is a kid who is going to be left by their parent to feed themselves on pot noodles? What if they're already depressed or have a condition such as an eating disorder and 14 days isolation is likely to exacerbate their condition? What if they do their 14 days without developing the illness, go back to work or school and get exposed again and have to do another 14 days?

I don't think it's fair just to say that they're all selfish halfwits.

What we need to do is detrmine why people don't comply and address that.

We know a large chunk don't comply because they can't afford to lose wages. That is easy to fix.

Why won't the government fix that issue is the first question. Stupid fucking government is the answer

I don't think ds will be able to do it and it may come to a choice between taking him outside somewhere isolated or asking for him to be temporarily looked after elsewhere because we won't be able to manage the violence and self injurious behaviour. I think the latter is a greater risk to other people.

[quote ChaChaCha2012]You've completely misunderstood the research. Spreading misinformation is not helpful at all.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-self-isolation-uk-rules-symptoms-police-fines-b594240.html[/quote]
How am I spreading misinformation? I was expressing an opinion...

I wonder how long it’s going to take for everyone to realise that the longer they don’t follow the quarantine periods, mask wearing and social distancing, the longer we will have restrictions to our lives.

@Miljea

If we had an efficient testing, and tracing system, surely the whole 14 days thing wouldn't be relevant? So if you were a contact, you'd get a test, then go from there.

Or am I missing something?

You're missing the incubation period.

It ranges up to 14 days, and you could test negative early in, but still be brewing it up. Testing does not release you from either quarantine or contact isolatiin

@Underhisi

I don't think ds will be able to do it and it may come to a choice between taking him outside somewhere isolated or asking for him to be temporarily looked after elsewhere because we won't be able to manage the violence and self injurious behaviour. I think the latter is a greater risk to other people.

In those situations people are allowed to break the laws/guidelines. So in genuine cases you should be ok anyway.

It's dickheads going to the pub, or people who can't or won't stay off work we need to focus on.

[quote ChaChaCha2012]You've completely misunderstood the research. Spreading misinformation is not helpful at all.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-self-isolation-uk-rules-symptoms-police-fines-b594240.html[/quote]
the OP isn’t spreading any information, correct or otherwise.
She’s giving an opinion, and asking others for their opinion.

But I forgot that coronavirus means that people can no long agree to disagree in a polite way Soon to be added to NHS list of symptoms, I expect...

Being in isolation now due to positive teen, I really truly sympathise. 14 days is a long time and is inconvenient. But I have spent many hours on the web trying to find the data and alas, and alas... it seems that 14 days is indeed sensible.

Worldometer has some links to outliers. Otherwise google is your friend.

If everyone, who wasn’t in one of the the situations or similar quarantined for the full 2 weeks, the spread would be much lower. Those people need to grow up. It’s only a couple of weeks.

@RepeatSwan

What we need to do is detrmine why people don't comply and address that.

We know a large chunk don't comply because they can't afford to lose wages. That is easy to fix.

Why won't the government fix that issue is the first question. Stupid fucking government is the answer

I think you're wrong to say it's an easy fix, I'd imagine it's hugely complicated to devise and set up a workable relatively fraud proof affordable system to cater for the millions of different school and work situations in the country.

Maybe if it's so easy you email the chancellor and tell him.

But on the flip side, there's nothing particularly healthy about an asymptomatic or potential uninfected person having to isolate for 14 days?

You do realise that 'asymptomatic' meant they have it and can still spread it?

@Underhisi

I don't think ds will be able to do it and it may come to a choice between taking him outside somewhere isolated or asking for him to be temporarily looked after elsewhere because we won't be able to manage the violence and self injurious behaviour. I think the latter is a greater risk to other people.

This is in the guidelines for people with additional needs.