University students possibly told to stay at uni over Christmas

[WearyandBleary]

This has just been leaked and Matt Hancock has done a non-denial.

This has shocked me. Why not tell old people to stay at home over Christmas instead? The mental health of our students is going to be horrific.

If it involves breaking a law (in a limited and specific way), so be it

Quite. Dominic Cummings has shown that you can just ignore the rules anyway as well.
I think people will bust their kids out and I would

Plus there'll be more dropping out now surely?

But visitors from outside the household are allowed except in lockdown areas. Presumably the number of people in 6-person households is not huge.

My child will be coming home for Christmas.

@FippertyGibbett and mine. Both of them. They'll need an army to stop them. If I can teach with no masks or social distancing I can see my kids at Xmas. For my mental health.

They will end up backtracking on this mainly because so many people will feel justified breaking it & once they break one rule the rest become very flexible & easily broken. I live in a recently locked down local area. I knew the government would back down on the informal childcare arrangements simply and solely because people I knew who would never go against government advice normally had every intention of doing so because they felt they had no other choice. There is a limit to what you can ask of people.

Why are the elderly always the ones expected to suffer. Many of the students have admitted flaunting the rules, using the excuse that they are young and that’s what the young do. They are fully aware of the risks they are taking and old enough to take the consequences, they are adults not children.

@MadameBlobby

What a very strange post. "Done fuck all for them"?

Strange? Really? Do tell me what the typical gold-plated pension, cheap house price, jobs for life, entitled, pulled the ladder up behind them, Brexit voting baby boomers (as a class) have ever done for the younger age groups other than fuck them over? I’m all ears.

^This, with bells on.

I tell my DD to do what ever she wants.

We are in this mess because there isn't the test, track and trace, not enough flu jabs. PPE, weird policies like Eat out to Help out, a part time PM, who tells us to go to the office , Don't go to the office and who backed Cummings.... fuck em.

@Pixxie7

Why are the elderly always the ones expected to suffer. Many of the students have admitted flaunting the rules, using the excuse that they are young and that’s what the young do. They are fully aware of the risks they are taking and old enough to take the consequences, they are adults not children.

I think you mean flouting, not flaunting.

They are fully aware of the risks they are taking and old enough to take the consequences, they are adults not children

CV poses little or no risk to the young, so in that regard they have assessed the consequences and acted accordingly... like adults.

Can I just assure people that I am not “the government” posting?

Why are the elderly always the ones expected to suffer

Maybe you’d better tell the virus to stop infecting and killing them then.

mumsneedwine
I think you're having a bit of a logic fail with the argument that if you are teaching 1500 children it makes no difference to see your own for Christmas.
You and both your daughters would all be coming together for Christmas from separate lifestyles that all involve mixing with lots of different people in 3 different areas of the country. After Christmas, you would all then be taking back any hypothetical Covid germs 1 of you may have been harbouring to those 3 geographically different, very people-y environments.
Far from it making no difference, you'd actually be one of the riskiest combinations of people to get together.

I don't know, I was very against this idea when I first read this thread. But actually, as some other posters have pointed out, the students are not being singled out or treated any differently to any other adults. At the moment the only ones who cannot travel home are at universities in local lock down areas. That same rule applies to all adults, not just them. Assuming the same would be true of Christmas and that travel would only be banned if no mixing of households was allowed for anybody then I think it would be a horrible, harsh but ultimately fair policy.

I live by myself and I'm a teacher. I'll be gutted if I have to spend Christmas completely alone but I don't think I should be entitled to break a lockdown rule if it's in place at that time (isn't at the moment) just because I'll be by myself at Christmas. And certainly not because I'm a teacher and therefore able to do what I like because I'm in contact with loads of people already.

The difference is that they would be in a tiny shoebox of a room, some of them in difficult circumstances and running out of money.

jasjas1973@ my point made risk to them not others and having made their adult decisions they must now take responsibility for their actions. I feel for the ones who have followed the rules but the others only have themselves to blame.

@OverTheRainbowLiesOz

The difference is that they would be in a tiny shoebox of a room, some of them in difficult circumstances and running out of money.

Not all of them?!

Most uni students have one small room. Mine do anyway.

@Pixxie7

jasjas1973@ my point made risk to them not others and having made their adult decisions they must now take responsibility for their actions. I feel for the ones who have followed the rules but the others only have themselves to blame.

You mean like Cummings did? Travelled the length of the UK and back again, knowing he was poorly....

Why exactly should anyone take a blind bit of notice of what Johnson says?

Why is there so much hatred for the older generation, of course they have done something for the younger generations, brought them up for one thing. Also there is the assumption that all baby boomers have their own homes and loaded, this simply isn’t true.

The difference is that they would be in a tiny shoebox of a room, some of them in difficult circumstances and running out of money

I don't see why they'd be confined to their rooms? They'd be able to be with their household (and I think many colleges/halls of residence are defining corridors or in some cases the entire building as one household).

Difficult circumstances and lack of money are far bigger problems. But also apply to many other adults, not just students.

I'm not saying I necessarily agree with it happening. Just that it wouldn't be unfair. If we are in some form of lockdown over Christmas, students would be at the worse affected end of a consistently shit deal for all. But not being singled out for targeted poor treatment.

@OverTheRainbowLiesOz

Most uni students have one small room. Mine do anyway.

Yours might, but they're not most.

@IDSNeighbour my kids have worked all through Covid. One has held the hands of people dying. I will therefore not be kept apart from them at Xmas. For my mental health and theres. My 2 are doing ok. But I resent this idea of locking 18 year olds up just because they are students. If this was the plan they needed to let them make a decision about going.
My point is I'm with thousands every day so why is Uni so different ?

@MadameBlobby

What a very strange post. "Done fuck all for them"?

Strange? Really? Do tell me what the typical gold-plated pension, cheap house price, jobs for life, entitled, pulled the ladder up behind them, Brexit voting baby boomers (as a class) have ever done for the younger age groups other than fuck them over? I’m all ears.

With bells on

Difficult circumstances and lack of money are far bigger problems. But also apply to many other adults, not just students.

Yours might, but they're not most.

Actually a lot of uni students from normal backgrounds wouldn't have enough money to go through Christmas and having an extra corridor to hang out in at Christmas isn't that amazing.

@Poppingnostopping
Lovely, sane post.

@Porcupineinwaiting but Max Drama is so fun!