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What would make you start following the rules? (If you’re not yet doing so)

82 replies

Chestergirl39 · 22/09/2020 22:08

Ok so Boris has been clear on the reasons why we need stricter rules. Rates are rising, hospitalisations are rising, test and trace not working, we need to take action collectively.....

But, still hearing from colleagues and posts on here about how they’re planning to get around the rules, ignore the rules, how they’re special, exempt etc etc...

What would it take to make you follow them? (If you’re not already?) Will the threat of fines make a difference?

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secretllama · 23/09/2020 08:06

@alreadytaken

Spain reopened it's nightclubs, they still hug and kiss when meeting.

This is my point though. They had one of the most strictest lockdowns, but as soon as normal life resumed their cases rocketed. Are they never to hug or go to nightclubs again? I understand that treatments are getting better but we can't 100% guarantee a silver bullet vaccine will be available.

AwaAnBileYerHeid · 23/09/2020 08:07

I’m in scotland. All winter I can’t see anyone indoors. But I could take my elderly mum to the pub to meet her there?

Have they said it's going to be all winter, so for the next what, 5 months or so?

Spikeyball · 23/09/2020 08:16

"They need to clarify rules on the need to care for adults with sn"

Boris has said that going into others houses to informally care for a vulnerable adult is allowed even in lockdown areas.
He has also said childcare is allowed for under 14s.
There is nothing said about vulnerable 15- 17 year olds. That shows that they don't think properly about the rules they are making which is why I need to make my own decisions based upon my child's needs.
My son needs to retain contact with the only person who could care for him if we became ill. Without it he won't accept it so she is coming into the house no matter what rules he makes.

Ginogineli · 23/09/2020 08:17

I won’t

They don’t work long term

It’s just stop and start and imo is more damaging

RedskyAtnight · 23/09/2020 08:20

Those people who say "I do my own risk assessment" - do you consider only your own risk, or do you include the risk to others around you?

I have no problem with your family of 4 visiting another family of 4 (and nor, I suspect to the police, the "Rule of 6" was aimed at preventing larger gatherings). However, not crowding right next to me in a shop because you think there is a low risk in our area is just rude and unnecessary - does it really impact your life so much for your group to stand a metre back?

ThrreeGoldfinches · 23/09/2020 08:26

A risk assessment is not about assessing only personal risk. Those who are standing close to you are just selfish.

Spikeyball · 23/09/2020 08:29

When you are the carer of a vulnerable person you have years of experience of doing your own risk assessment which include the effects on those around them.

ineedaholidaynow · 23/09/2020 08:32

Problem with a personal risk assessment is that they only work if you and the other people you meet don’t have any other interactions with anybody else. Fine to say I am going to meet up with my parents, friends etc and we aren’t going to stick with rule of 6, social distancing because we don’t care if we get COVID, but what about everyone else you come into contact with in shops, schools etc. They weren’t on your risk assessment.

frozendaisy · 23/09/2020 08:34

Money is the only thing that makes people do things they don't want to do.

Either fine people heavily for disobeying and/or offer tax break for total compliance.

GabriellaMontez · 23/09/2020 08:44

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

I’m in scotland. All winter I can’t see anyone indoors. But I could take my elderly mum to the pub to meet her there?

Fuck right off. I won’t be following that

Exactly this. I'm not going to a crowded pub with someone vulnerable.

Using a cramped , unventilated toilet after 100 other people. Next to a table of people shouting and laughing. It would be irresponsible.

I'll meet in her home. Open the windows, keep our distance.

GabriellaMontez · 23/09/2020 08:49

@frozendaisy

Money is the only thing that makes people do things they don't want to do.

Either fine people heavily for disobeying and/or offer tax break for total compliance.

Normally I'd agree but loved ones are more important than money.

Not everyone can or wants to meet in a pub. So we will break the rules and meet in our homes, carefully.

frozendaisy · 23/09/2020 09:20

@GabriellaMontez

Life is worth much more than gold. Yes.

But I don't think the issue is with concentious families. With the "I won't wear a muzzle" brigade money is the only thing that will work.

MarshaBradyo · 23/09/2020 09:25

Exactly this. I'm not going to a crowded pub with someone vulnerable.

This is an issue in Scotland I agree.

Abraid2 · 23/09/2020 09:31

@rookiemere

I'm in Scotland. My DPs are in their 80s.

Haven't ventured out to a restaurant or cafe since February. Zero way I'm making them meet there, with much higher likelihood of meeting other people who might have covid, than in their own house where I can sit two metres away and am the only person they will see inside.

Plus DM would likely have a panic attack if we tried to meet out somewhere.

So yes I'm breaking that one, but it may just about scrape into care of the elderly.

I saw my 82-year old mother, recently widowed and recovering from chemo three times during lockdown for this very reason. Although she is mentally very alert and physically not in bad nick, I could tell her mental health would plummet if she couldn't have some contact with me. I checked the gov-uk rules and was quite prepared to explain myself to anyone official challenging me.
Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd · 23/09/2020 09:34

Nothing because banning seeing your own family except in a fucking garden (some people don't have one) or park in Scottish winter is never going to work and ridiculous.

hamstersarse · 23/09/2020 09:36

When there is evidence that ‘the rules’ actually make any difference

I’ve seen no compelling evidence that lockdowns work

No compelling evidence that the cloth masks work

No compelling evidence that the case rate is a true reflection of what is going on (false positives)

No compelling evidence about transmission routes

No compelling evidence that we aren’t killing more people via these restrictions (cancer, heart disease, mental health, poverty related ill health)

Concerned7777 · 23/09/2020 09:38

@AwaAnBileYerHeid

I’m in scotland. All winter I can’t see anyone indoors. But I could take my elderly mum to the pub to meet her there?

Have they said it's going to be all winter, so for the next what, 5 months or so?

Scotland said it would be reviewed every 3 weeks she didn't say it would be for the whole of winter
GabriellaMontez · 23/09/2020 09:45

@MarshaBradyo

Exactly this. I'm not going to a crowded pub with someone vulnerable.

This is an issue in Scotland I agree.

There are also 2.8 million people under local lockdown in greater manchester. Who cannot go in other homes.

Have been since the beginning of August.

No sign of it changing.

ComicePear · 23/09/2020 09:51

Dominic Cummings should be sacked if the government wants us to take the rules seriously.

MarshaBradyo · 23/09/2020 09:51

Gabriella that is very tough. If we had that due to local lockdown I’d follow it as hard as it would be. But in Scotland without the extra pressure of higher numbers I can see why people are questioning it.

Concerned7777 · 23/09/2020 09:59

@MarshaBradyo

Gabriella that is very tough. If we had that due to local lockdown I’d follow it as hard as it would be. But in Scotland without the extra pressure of higher numbers I can see why people are questioning it.
But surely the measure is in place to stop the numbers getting higher, why wait until they do go up before implementing it the damage is already done by then. NS did say there would be some exclusions to the rules, not sure what they are but id guess its to do with single person support bubbles or vulnerable people
Janaih · 23/09/2020 10:24

When hell freezes over. Or they make any sense. Whichever is sooner (my money is on the former).

Firef1y72 · 23/09/2020 10:59

@ineedaholidaynow

How did the 1918 pandemic die out?
Enough people caught it to slow the spread, plus it mutated to a less deadly form. It didn't actually die out, it's still around now.
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Chestergirl39 · 23/09/2020 13:01

I can understand how everyone feels and feel the same myself to some degree, but can’t help feeling frustrated at having followed the rules completely only to feel like we’re back at square one. Also can’t help feeling a bit cross at people who’ve just ignored the rules and done what they like and feel we’re all being punished for that.

DP and I have elderly parents, who we’d love to meet up with, but this involves staying over. I’m petrified of passing it to them inadvertently, especially having our kids back in school and mixing with all and sundry.

Do people who are planning to still see their grandchildren, or parents of school/nursery kids wanting to meet with their elderly parents not worry about this too? What are you doing to prevent/minimise this?

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TabbyStar · 23/09/2020 13:37

Do people who are planning to still see their grandchildren, or parents of school/nursery kids wanting to meet with their elderly parents not worry about this too? What are you doing to prevent/minimise this?

My DD works in a cafe, so even if I were to never leave the house, I'm still a risk through her. I do shopping and other tasks for my DM, so have to go in the house sometimes, so we just do the handwashing / mask / distancing / opening doors and windows thing. My DB is investigating whether we can have some sort of outdoor heated shelter over winter so we can all sit wrapped up whilst DM talks to us from inside. We probably won't tolerate it for long in the depths of winter, but at least it's something. My DM is otherwise not leaving the house or having anyone else in.

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