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Face masks could be giving people Covid-19 immunity

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Ginfordinner · 20/09/2020 14:52

Interesting article in The Telegraph www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/face-masks-could-giving-people-covid-19-immunity-researchers/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

It's just a theory, but would be good if it was true.

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BertieBob · 20/09/2020 14:54

That it very interesting.

StreetHaunting · 20/09/2020 14:56

Can't read it, what does it say?

ZigZaggyZoo · 20/09/2020 14:59

Very interesting theory

Ginfordinner · 20/09/2020 15:00

Face masks may be inadvertently giving people Covid-19 immunity and making them get less sick from the virus, academics have suggested in one of the most respected medical journals in the world.

The commentary, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, advances the unproven but promising theory that universal face mask wearing might be helping to reduce the severity of the virus and ensuring that a greater proportion of new infections are asymptomatic.

If this hypothesis is borne out, the academics argue, then universal mask-wearing could become a form of variolation (inoculation) that would generate immunity and “thereby slow the spread of the virus in the United States and elsewhere” as the world awaits a vaccine.

It comes as increasing evidence suggests that the amount of virus someone is exposed to at the start of infection - the “infectious dose” - may determine the severity of their illness. Indeed, a large study published in the Lancet last month found that “viral load at diagnosis” was an “independent predictor of mortality” in hospital patients.

Wearing masks could therefore reduce the infectious dose that the wearer is exposed to and, subsequently, the impact of the disease, as masks filter out some virus-containing droplets.

If this theory bears out, researchers argue, then population-wide mask wearing might ensure that a higher proportion of Covid-19 infections are asymptomatic.

Better still, as data has emerged in recent weeks suggesting that there can be strong immune responses from even mild or asymptomatic coronavirus infection, researchers say that any public health strategy that helps reduce the severity of the virus - such as mask wearing - should increase population-wide immunity as well.

This is because even a low viral load can be enough to induce an immune response, which is effectively what a typical vaccine does.

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HeresMe · 20/09/2020 15:00

Why they have even published this is pointless, it's a untested theory, test it then come out with news.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 20/09/2020 15:01

If that’s the case then KS2 upwards need to wear them.

Ginfordinner · 20/09/2020 15:04

None of the words in the second post are mine BTW. I just copied and pasted them from The Telegraph.

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Bol87 · 20/09/2020 15:05

Basically wearing a mask is thought to protect you against a high viral load. The lower viral load you catch means you are more likely to be asymptomatic or extremely mild. Which is a good thing as although it’s thought you can catch it again, those who have been proven to do so, have had a very mild second version. So there is an element of herd immunity going on. Plus obviously while our cases are going up drastically, fingers crossed it’s milder cases & hospitals will be ok!

Makes a lot of sense, I’ve always thought that masks must protect you a little bit for germs. I know there are gaps but less must hit you in the face than normal?!

tornadoalley · 20/09/2020 15:10

It has been said before that the severity of the disease is dependent on the initial viral load and the smaller the amount, the less serious and asymptomatic the patient is

happinessischocolate · 20/09/2020 15:16

@HeresMe

Why they have even published this is pointless, it's a untested theory, test it then come out with news.
Because it'll encourage people to wear masks whilst they are testing.

Fingers crossed it turns out to be true, which I believe it could well do as it goes with the viral load theory.

AntiHop · 20/09/2020 15:21

This is really good news. I know it's just a theory but it sounds promising. It drives me crazy that many selfish people refuse to wear masks, so maybe this will change their minds.

Moondust001 · 20/09/2020 15:27

@HeresMe

Why they have even published this is pointless, it's a untested theory, test it then come out with news.
You do realise that pretty much everything about coronavirus, a new virus form, is "untested theory". Testing theories is how human develop knowledge. And if you had bothered to check the facts, it is actually not "untested" - the theory is based on field observations which will continue. It will never be "tested" in the way that you suggest, because to do so would entire deliberately exposing human beings to the virus, that is an ethics violation.

Variolation is far from a new idea, and has been proven with other diseases. In fact until Jenner discovered the cowpox vaccination, variolation was the primary preventative "vaccination" for smallpox. And whilst human studies of variolation cannot be conducted, some animal studies with Covid-19 have in fact borne out the theory.

So it's a long way off pointless.

HeresMe · 20/09/2020 15:57

So it's a long way off pointless.

It even says it's unproven in the article, it isn't relevant until it's proved.

And coronavirus and and respiratory illnesses aren't new illness so they should already have a number of facts from sars mers ect.

HeresMe · 20/09/2020 15:59

You do realise that pretty much everything about coronavirus, a new virus form,

Coronavirus are very old virus not new at all.

Moondust001 · 20/09/2020 16:15

@HeresMe

You do realise that pretty much everything about coronavirus, a new virus form,

Coronavirus are very old virus not new at all.

Covid-19, this specific form which we are currently discussing, is new. There's a coronavirus that causes the common cold - are you suggesting that it's the same thing as these others? And it isn't "unproven" (because scientists and journalists are different things) - there is evidence to support the theory, and that is the purpose of publishing in a scientific journal. As I explained previously, human knowledge develops by creating theories based on observation and then testing those theories. I also explained why it would be unethical to test the theory in any other way than observation.

Science really isn't your forte, is it?

I assume that you are amongst the "people shouldn't be forced to wear masks brigade" and your objection is that it disagrees with your position?

HeresMe · 20/09/2020 16:19

Science really isn't your forte, is it?

The article actually states unproven not me

And I do wear a mask so stop making story's up about people because they don't agree with you, that's is really shitty behaviour.

Bulblasagne · 20/09/2020 16:26

I've always instinctively thought this...

Yesterday someone posted a vapour user showing vapour coming out the sides of the mask proving that masks don't work.

To me however, the vapour going out the sides means the person your talking too isn't going to get that in the face viral spew.

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