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Confusing info from HR. I need an isolation calculator

15 replies

Ilovejammies90 · 17/09/2020 08:02

I work as a key worker but in an office environment

A colleague and I had a meeting on thursday sat about 1m apart
Colleague was off on friday with covid symptoms and now has tested +

Hr initially said I had to go home and isolate till wednesdat next week. Then they said i dont need to isolate at all come back to work tomorrow....THEN they said actually yes you do stay off till friday next week.

I think friday is too long and i can actually return THURSDAY. HR are obviously useless. What does anyone else think?

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namedchange112 · 17/09/2020 08:06

As someone who works in HR I'm not going to give you my opinion because I'm obviously useless.

I'm not sure why it is socially acceptable to be so rude about a business support function that in most organisations exists to listen to other people's experiences of people being rude to them. Hmm

delusionsofadequacy · 17/09/2020 08:07

Our infection control say that if you were in a mask or 2m away then you don't have to isolate (NHS). If they think you were exposed then it would be 14 days wouldn't it?

picklemewalnuts · 17/09/2020 08:14

It's a fencepost confusion. Counting posts or panels, a 4 panel fence has 5 posts.

The need to isolate depends how long you were together, how far apart and were you wearing masks/sharing tools.

I don't know whether you count the day you were with them as day 1, or the following day.

Does it matter, if you just do what HR says?

JellyBabiesSaveLives · 17/09/2020 08:14

Can you phone the test and Trace people and ask them?

But 14 days from Thursday is a Thursday

lljkk · 17/09/2020 08:14

I actually thought it was 10 days isolation when you didn't have symptoms but merely had high risk of exposure.

Admit it's confusing; I wouldn't ask here if I could get find an NHS page.

JimMaxwellantheshippingforcast · 17/09/2020 08:20

It's 10 days if you test positive, 14 days if you're a close contact

Inastatus · 17/09/2020 08:29

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Inastatus · 17/09/2020 08:30

Sorry, that was meant to be a new thread! I’ll ask admin to move it!

conkersarebonkers · 17/09/2020 08:31

What @JimMaxwellantheshippingforcast said. But have you not been contacted by the contact tracers yet?

ShellsAndSunrises · 17/09/2020 08:34

@Inastatus No, the law relates to the whole premises, so people being in the house/upstairs/etc count. If there’s four of you at home, she can only meet two more.

Inastatus · 17/09/2020 08:37

@ShellsAndSunrises - thanks for that. I did think that would be the case.
Sorry for accidentally hijacking your post OP!

MRex · 17/09/2020 08:44

14 days from Thursday counts to a Thursday, but if you met at 10-11am it would be counting 14 days to 11am when you left the room. So from a practical perspective you'd go back on Friday.

It's actually a moot point what the test and trace rules are, it's up to your employer to confirm when they want you on site in any event. If they aren't paying you then you can get help from SSP or call ACAS for support.

MRex · 17/09/2020 08:46

(I mean, if test and trace tell you to stay home then you must stay until the date they give you, but your employer can extend that timeframe or ask you to stay home in other circumstances, you can't over-rule them and go into the office based on something test and trace say.)

Poppins2016 · 17/09/2020 08:49

Try this link, I do some HR work as part of my role and this is what I use to guide me:

www.gov.uk/guidance/nhs-test-and-trace-workplace-guidance

If a worker develops symptoms and orders a test

If a worker develops symptoms, they shouldrequest a free testas soon as their symptoms start.

Once they have ordered the test, they’ll be asked by the NHS Test and Trace service to provide details of anyone who they have been in close recent contact with. This will not automatically be all their co-workers, but anyone who meets the definition of a close contact.

A close ‘contact’ is a person who has been close to someone who has tested positive for COVID-19 anytime from 2 days before the person was symptomatic up to 7 days from onset of symptoms (this is when they are infectious to others). This could be a person who:

spends significant time in the same householdis a sexual partnerhas had face-to-face contact (within one metre), including:being coughed onhaving skin-to-skin physical contact, orcontact within one metre for one minutehas been within 2 metres of someone who has tested positive for COVID-19 for more than 15 minuteshas travelled in a small vehicle, or in a large vehicle or plane

Where an interaction between 2 people has taken place through a Perspex (or equivalent) screen, this would not be considered sufficient contact, provided that there has been no other contact such as any of those indicated above.

The contact tracers will not consider the wearing of personal protective equipment (PPE) as a mitigation when assessing whether a recent contact is likely to have risked transmitting the virus. Only full medical-gradePPEworn in health and care settings will be considered.

Medical-gradePPEshould not be purchased to circumvent self-isolation, as this risks disrupting critical supplies needed by the NHS and social care sector.

Alerting close contacts

When someone first develops symptoms and orders a test, they will be encouraged to alert the people that they have had close contact with in the 48 hours before symptom onset. If any of those close contacts are co-workers, the person who has developed symptoms should consider asking their employer to alert those co-workers.

Close contacts at this stage do not need to self-isolate unless requested to do so by NHS Test and Trace or a public health professional, but they should:

avoid contact with people at high increased risk of severe illness from coronavirus, such as people with pre-existing medical conditionstake extra care in practising social distancing and good hygienewatch out for symptoms and self-isolate if they also show signs of coronavirus

Employers may need to keep staff informed about COVID-19 cases among their colleagues. However, employers should not name the individual. If a co-worker is at risk because of close contact with the positive case, then they will be notified to self-isolate by the NHS Test and Trace service. Employers should make sure their workplaces are safe by regular cleaning and by encouraging good hygiene practice.

Poppins2016 · 17/09/2020 08:53

Sorry about the awful copy/paste, I should have previewed!

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