Scottish restrictions on social gatherings

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Maximum of 6 people from two households with children under 12 not counted towards the total . This sounds so much fairer and safer than the English approach.

Why safer?

I would have thought it encourages more multi generational gatherings which are more danagerous and less groups of 20 somethings meeting up which is lower risk for someone getting who needs hospital treatment so I wasn’t sure it was @safer” really, I think Scotland increasingly seems to be going down the young kids don’t spread it route and I am not sure we are there yet?

Scotland has had under 12s with no social distancing for quite a while and I dont see huge spikes in cases in that age group

safer? how?

Fairer?
When I now can't go for a socially distanced walk with two friends?
Under 12s still count towards households so lots of birthday parties being cancelled.

I have no issue with no counting under 12s that’s positive from my perspective. I understand that loads of people love the Nicola v Boris comparison (I’m no fan of either) but I think there’s still a lot of holes in the decision from NS today that doesn’t bear up to gushing praise. Why the same number of people and households both for in and outdoor meetings for example?

I think the restriction in the number of households is safer than potentially six people from six different households meeting indoors. It does mean that families with more than two children can meet with grandparents if they wish, which is more about fairness. I think it's right that families should make this risk assessment themselves.

Tbh I think the new Scottish rules are ludicrous- very few cases in most of the country (only 12 in the Lothian region that encompasses Edinburgh today out of 1 million), 7 people in ICU out of 5 million (possibly not even because of covid) and it's now illegal to have 2 friends over to your garden from different households!

Sturgeon needs to come up with a realistic plan that allows us to live with the virus taking into account COVID, the economy and other health issues including mental health.

Instead she seems to be trying to emulate Jacinda Ardern knowing that she isn't the one paying for the consequences.

I feel sorry for young people the most- many starting uni this month in difficult circumstances as it is. Now they can't even meet 2 friends from their course for coffee without breaking the law! All for a virus that poses them (and virtually everyone else with no health conditions) no threat.

I'm not pissed over the new group numbers.
I am pissed over the delay til the 3rd October in opening certain venues .
The spread in Scotland is in 3 health board areas. I feel those areas are not being sanctioned.

We had a 3 week lockdown for much lower case numbers. I want to know why different areas of Scotland are getting different treatment.

I am pissed off about new group numbers. I would rather see two friends/ family members from different households (5 outside) together than do something on the next phase with one (though Of course I would like kids to enjoy things in that list and people who work in those areas to have some chance of making money/keeping jobs). I don’t think there’s any chance she’ll move into next phase on 05 Oct @Torvean32 when she’s just taken step back in current one, do you? Getting into Winter and normal flu season is only going to make things worse too?

Not sure what you mean in most recent post OP - in Scotland we’ve not been allowed to meet 6 households indoors and in England I you’re not allowed to either now I thought so not sure what you mean by saying it’s safer than 6 households meeting indoors. I mean clearly it is safer for 2 households to meet than 6 but where are you getting that comparator from to show Scotland’s relative safety?

No it's neither fairer or safer. Nicola Sturgeon has repetitively failed to consider the needs of anybody or anything other than the typical family with 2 children and 2 parents. Her measures are wrecking the economy, destroying the mental health of a generation (if your between childhood and having children yourself your collateral), and are frankly illogical just so she can claim they are different to those in England.

I am frustrated by these new rules...I have 2 restaurant bookings coming up, both with 3 of us meeting - 3 single friends, and now we have to limit to meeting just 2 of us.

I fail to see how this is proportionate to the cases that are appearing, especially given that presentation of symptoms seems to be less severe, and new treatments seem to be more effective.

I also don't know why the track and trace system is not functioning properly - surely if this was working adequately these extreme measures would not be needed. How many millions has been spent on this failed system.

Yes, hundreds of people getting drunk together at parties is clearly problematic. 3 single friends meeting each other for a dog walk is not in the same league. The measures are ill thought out with no clear route forward - what if we don't have a vaccine for 4-5 years....are we still going to be operating like this when only a handful of people are in hospital out of a population of 5 and half million, and there have been no deaths in the last 24 hours?

There's 6 cases per 100 000 people in Fife, compare that to Bolton with 161.

I'm fully intending to still meet up with my sister's household. That will take us up to 8 people over the age of 12.

Imo Devi Sridhar is the one driving this completely unrealistic elimination agenda which is leading totally disproportionate restrictions like the 2 household limit- she is clearly after a global public health position.

Advisors like Devi Sridhar have the luxury of only considering their specific area of expertise- it is time a much wider range of perspectives were considered like mental health, other health conditions that are not being treated and the economy.

@DeborahAlisonphillipa England have sinplified the rules so that up to six people can meet with no limit on households - so, yes, six people from six different households could meet in someone's home.

At the moment my oldest works in hospitality as a wedding planner and she is so fed up
With it all. My middle daughter is 21 and back at college although that's from her bedroom now with a once a month visit to college. My youngest is definitely not getting the education she was. My parents are too frightened to see any of us unless it's outside. They don't go anywhere and are terrified. I'm just sick of it all now.

New indoor socialising restrictions in Wales - up to 6 people with children under 12 exempt.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/limit-six-people-can-meet-18914712.amp

Ah sorry then OP I didn’t realise I thought England was the same but counted under 12s. though now jealous that you have six household gatherings!