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Let me get this right?

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NorbertMeubles · 10/09/2020 08:19

I can go to a pub with 5 friends from 5 different households but I can't have my parents to my home because I have 3 children and a partner? So basically if your a grandparent to 3 or more children you can't see them?

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NorbertMeubles · 10/09/2020 08:21

I don't have 5 friends as an aside

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PurpleDaisies · 10/09/2020 08:21

Yes that’s right.

PurpleDaisies · 10/09/2020 08:22

So basically if your a grandparent to 3 or more children you can't see them?

One grandparent could see three children and both their parents. Or two grandparents could see all three children and one parent.

juneybean · 10/09/2020 08:23

Well you could drop the kids off presumably so they could see them.

PennyDreadfuI · 10/09/2020 08:23

Yes.

And you can have a wedding with up to 30 people invited, but not a birthday party.

It's crackers, all of it.

REDLIPSTICKANDNAILS · 10/09/2020 08:25

Where is the sense that meeting 5 people from 5 households in a pub is safer than having the tight bubble of grandparents in your house?

steppemum · 10/09/2020 08:26

yes. I can't see many sticking to that.
We are a family of 5, so if I want to see my parents we have to leave someone at home.

To be honest though, I have 3 teens back at school in year group bubbles of 150. Plus the 2 friends who go in in the car with ds, and are in different year groups, plus the kids I work with who are each in a class bubble of 30 (x 12 kids) etc etc. I worked out that my family are effectivley in a 'bubble' of 1,000.

I don't wnat my parents to get sick, so i will be seeing them socially distanced with a mask.

notevenat20 · 10/09/2020 08:27

Can you have a series of weddings where at the last second the bride (you) decides not to go through with it?

steppemum · 10/09/2020 08:28

@REDLIPSTICKANDNAILS

Where is the sense that meeting 5 people from 5 households in a pub is safer than having the tight bubble of grandparents in your house?

I think the point is really that this is a blanket ban in order to reduce social interaction. It is a blunt tool, but it is designed to be simple, easy to understand, under all circumstances it is 6 people.

And, according to BBC news this morning, easier to enforce.

REDLIPSTICKANDNAILS · 10/09/2020 08:29

Apologies for typo in OP, should be *you're

mintpeonies · 10/09/2020 08:30

IMHO it is against the UN convention of right to family life. It is also ❤️breaking.

There is no human right to go to the pub. It is a leisure activity.

mintpeonies · 10/09/2020 08:31

Pubs and restaurants should be getting out the bikes and cars to do home delivery. They should not be open at the moment. The uptick of cases started right after 4th July (pub opening date).

rainbowscalling · 10/09/2020 08:31

I refuse to accept that I or my family are at less risk getting trains to works and sitting in offices that we are sitting in our living rooms with the 7 of us

Hitchyhero · 10/09/2020 08:32

Basically.... If there isn't a cash register or some transfer of money involved .... Then you can't do it in a group of 6.

Angel2702 · 10/09/2020 08:34

I don’t see why we should have to suffer to allow people to get pissed in the pub. The two household rule was much easier to understand and makes more sense than allowing six households to meet indoors but stop families meeting.

notevenat20 · 10/09/2020 08:34

I refuse to accept that I or my family are at less risk getting trains to works and sitting in offices that we are sitting in our living rooms with the 7 of us

That’s not how it works. Say you are at the same level of risk, if you do both you have doubled your risk. The difference is people have to go to work but they don’t have to watch tv with 6 other people.

PurpleDaisies · 10/09/2020 08:36

The two household rule was much easier to understand and makes more sense than allowing six households to meet indoors but stop families meeting

Six households have never been allowed to meet indoors.

notevenat20 · 10/09/2020 08:37

Basically.... If there isn't a cash register or some transfer of money involved .... Then you can't do it in a group of 6.

Having read the rules I don’t think that is quite right (but it is close). Organised sport run for no money by volunteers is allowed. The key seems to be word “organised”.

girlicorne · 10/09/2020 08:37

It doesn’t make sense does it? As a single person I can meet-up with five friends ( I don’t have five friends) as a couple we can meet two other couples but all of our socialising is done around the kids so as a family of 4 we can’t meet up with another family. It does seem very unfair on families but then there has been so much that’s inconvenienced and disadvantaged this year so I will be following the guidance even though it doesn’t make sense!

notevenat20 · 10/09/2020 08:40

It doesn’t make sense does it?. The problem was no one could remember the rules before and they interpreted “households” too generously.

The new rule has both the advantages and disadvantages of simplicity.

EDSGFC · 10/09/2020 08:51

The idea is to try and protect the economy, education and the NHS but to do this we all have to limit interactions outside of those three.

At the start of all of this there was a pictogram showing what exponential growth looks like, starting from one infected person. By just removing one or two contacts from the chain the number of people infected was greatly reduced. This is what they are doing now.

Yes, schools, work, transport will cause an increase but that doesn't justify having house parties, or meeting in groups.

It's like being on a diet - if you break the diet one day it will have little overall effect but if you think "sod it, ate too much yesterday so might as well eat what I like all week" then that will really affect your weight loss.

Or if you are overdrawn, say by £100 you don't then think "might as well go over drawn by £1000 then".

BabyLlamaZen · 10/09/2020 08:57

it's been horribly simplified to make it easy to enforce. People only have themselves to blame!

And yes people should only be mixing when it involves working, education and spending money. The essentials.

No it's not fair but it wasn't fair when people lost their jobs either.

We are a nation of entitled complainers. Let's focus on those who are going to need to find a bubble of support this Christmas.

SmileyClare · 10/09/2020 08:59

Its a blunt tool .. to reduce social interaction I agree. It may appear illogical but it's the best way to reduce transmission while still making education a priority and keeping the economy going.

All these threads pondering "Why can't I do X if I can do Y?* seem deliberately obtuse.

Bb14 · 10/09/2020 09:05

I am just catching up so apologies if this is incorrect. This weekend I can't meet with three friends from different households at a pub (unless we sit outside) but after the 14th we can meet inside a pub. Isn't that relaxing, rather that tightening the rules?

palacegirl77 · 10/09/2020 09:09

Comparing being in a pub which (should) have strict social distancing in place to having grandparents over for several hours where there wont be any social distancing in place is pointless. 6 30 year olds sitting apart from others (and each other) in a pub is far less risk than grandparents in their 70s sitting with a child (probably now at school) in a house. If you want to see both your parents at the same time go to their house and leave your partner at home. Not rocket science.

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