To think cases are rising because of ' risky' places being open more than homes mixing?

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Saw a fb post. Basically saying so there's been rammed restaurants, pubs etc with the EOTHO scheme.
Soft play open
Theme parks etc
Which has been fine
we can still go to those places but not have a child's party of say 6 kids and 2 adults for example. ( well as of Monday) . So we're safe till then! The virus won't get us for the next 5 days

I kind of get their point . I visited a local theme park in July and it was rammed. OK so not as much as pre covid but absolutely no distancing at all. And despite hand gel in loads of locations. I didn't personally see much getting used as I would expect. And that was prior to summer holidays officaily starting

A friend works at the local soft play., they close for 2 hours between sessions.
She said they literally wipe the tables and chairs and then relax. When i asked if they clean the equipment she said ' nah', we just sign the paperwork to say we do. The boss said as long as a paper trail that's fine as it's too much hassle! And to enjoy the extra ' breaks'

I'm starting to think this is all a bit nuts tbh.

I don’t mind that the government is encouraging us to spend money. A lot of people rely on the service economy for work.

It is the holidays abroad.
But already over 200 schools so that will accelerate it. There must be 6k kids isolating now. Plus ones off with symptoms waiting for tests.

If you google COG-UK consortium you’ll find links to the project. It’s where stories in the press about origins/lineages etc originate. A friend of mine in Cambridge has been flat out on this since the beginning. I was just regurgitating what he told me

Oh my god, that’s a total quote post fail. Someone asked me downthread....

It's people. People transmit the virus. The only way to stop this is to stay in lockdown forever or until a reliable vaccine is found and enough people take up the vaccine.

Sallyshirt Its true, the govt are all the things you say, but it’s also true that home gatherings are pretty much cauldrons of virus if one person has it ☹️

I see no reason to accept the government's claims without any evidence to support them. They lie, and they have a strong incentive not to tell us if increases are found to stem from things they've advocated, like going back into work.

That said, I think you go too far OP, because without evidence we can't say the government are lying either.

Around here the increase seems to be people, mainly the young, going on holiday and then socialising with other friends when they get back including visiting multiple pubs some of which are not keeping records of who has been in. There was zero covid in the community a few weeks ago.

It’s not backed by what track and trace found and probably right too, I think more floating contact - passing someone briefly at soft play or a theme park is less high risk than prolonged contact, having a family of four stay with your family of four overnight.

Obviously not helped at the latter is what more people want to do and I think this is going to be very difficult to police, arresting grannies for meeting up with there children and grandchildren is never going to look good!

...given the level of personal sacrifice we are asking people to make I hope it works!

Oh and before people say it is nothing I do think it is huge thing! a family with four children now cannot meet up with their parents at all (even outside) I cannot meet my new niece due to be born in October unless we arrange some complicated family rota (and they don’t live nearby so it would require an overnight stay). I do wonder if less of the “I don’t see the big deal this was always the case” it wasn’t because two households of any size could meet indoors under the current guidance we may be more able to get compliance. Telling people seeing their adult children and grandchildren is no big deal isn’t really going to help matters.

Perhaps young people are a big issue but I really feel for them. Disrupted school, huge anxiety ahead, bleak future. And for them very very low risk. They took a massive hit during lockdown and I think before people critcise them we should understand how hard it must be. Lots of young people are starting in new jobs, in horrible rented flats or flat shares, no garden, rely on friends to socialise more heavily than older people. I have been sticking to the rules but not sure I would have done aged 18.