And now the bloody vaccine trial is paused due to a potential severe side effect

[Worriedmum999]

As if this week could get any worse. Cases up! Deaths up! Heading back to more restrictions and potentially lockdowns with the second wave.

I have had a really down few days. I’m vulnerable and scared of leaving my children without a mother. I’m scared that they are going to school and we can no longer shield. I’m scared of what more isolation will do to them.

I was pinning my hopes on the Oxford vaccine. Probably stupid I know. There has been no glimmer of light with this pandemic. Everything has gone wrong and turned to shit. Now it looks like we’ll have no vaccine in the near future. At least we were front of the queue for the Oxford one. If we have to wait for some from another country we could be in this hell for years...and that’s if any will even work.

So down tonight

@TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair

You are panicking and catastrophising. I get it, this is so scary and we're all wrung out and stressed and bloody knackered. I can totally understand why you've posted but please take a big step back. It's not that bleak.

It's a precaution to pause things. It's likely a pause of a few days only while they check over this one individual (who it's possible has something else completely random wrong with them). Bear in mind the vaccine has already been assessed for safety (up to a point) and lots and lots of people have been vaccinated (thousands, in fact) and been absolutely ok. I'd be optimistic about saying they will confirm this is a random health issue and get on with the trial. There will be a vaccine and likely relatively soon. That's what all the experts are saying. And it's not even just about a vaccine, we have got so much better at helping people who are seriously affected. It's not like in March at all.

And no, the rise in cases doesn't necessarily mean a second wave, it's only the tiniest increase in deaths so far too (well below what many were expecting). We absolutely won't be living like this for years, I promise. Deep breaths. You are quite within your rights to feel scared but it's also worth sorting out what is anxiety and what is reality. for you and I'm sorry that you're vulnerable. That makes things so much harder.

Thank you It wasn't meant for me but it really helped

Patronise me all you like but the virus mutates quickly so the researchers will always be one step behind.

There’s doubt over the actual immunity which will be triggered too.

Coronavirus replicates by mRNA compared with DNA but I’m sure you’re all fully knowledgeable of the biochemical pathways at cellular level since you were kind enough to give me a biscuit.

I have a science degree.

@Timeforanewone I’m pretty sure a lot of the people who are confident we WILL have a vaccine at some point also have science degrees.....

@Timeforanewone

Patronise me all you like but the virus mutates quickly so the researchers will always be one step behind.

There’s doubt over the actual immunity which will be triggered too.

Coronavirus replicates by mRNA compared with DNA but I’m sure you’re all fully knowledgeable of the biochemical pathways at cellular level since you were kind enough to give me a biscuit.

I have a science degree.

So are you saying that the scientists involved, such as Sarah Gilbert, know that a vaccine will never work and are just lying to us?

No, I think they are desperately hoping they will be successful.
I don’t think it will be effective enough, and I suspect there’s danger of it altering DNA.

@Timeforanewone

No, I think they are desperately hoping they will be successful. I don’t think it will be effective enough, and I suspect there’s danger of it altering DNA.

So we should believe you because you have a science degree, but not them, when they also presumably are quite qualified in the area of science?

Are you this person?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/53525002

I have a science degree.

THAT'S your defence? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Timeforanewone

Patronise me all you like but the virus mutates quickly so the researchers will always be one step behind.

There’s doubt over the actual immunity which will be triggered too.

Coronavirus replicates by mRNA compared with DNA but I’m sure you’re all fully knowledgeable of the biochemical pathways at cellular level since you were kind enough to give me a biscuit.

I have a science degree.

But everything I've read says from scientists intimately studying Covid say it isn't mutating rapidly. All within expected parameters.

Everything I've read from Prof Gilbert didn't make me think she was "desperately hoping" for their vaccine to work. What struck me was a very pragmatic getting on with it rather than caving to pressure. Zoom presentations show her as an extremely calm and measured person.

@Timeforanewone

Patronise me all you like but the virus mutates quickly so the researchers will always be one step behind.

There’s doubt over the actual immunity which will be triggered too.

Coronavirus replicates by mRNA compared with DNA but I’m sure you’re all fully knowledgeable of the biochemical pathways at cellular level since you were kind enough to give me a biscuit.

I have a science degree.

I have a computer science degree but you wouldn’t catch me telling Tim Berners-Lee or Alan Turing their jobs! 😂

How about we leave it to the real experts eh?

I suspect there’s danger of it altering DNA.

I thought 2012 was supposed to be going to alter our DNA. Ascension and all that.

@Timeforanewone

Patronise me all you like but the virus mutates quickly so the researchers will always be one step behind.

There’s doubt over the actual immunity which will be triggered too.

Coronavirus replicates by mRNA compared with DNA but I’m sure you’re all fully knowledgeable of the biochemical pathways at cellular level since you were kind enough to give me a biscuit.

I have a science degree.

Timeless.

Absolutely Timeless post.

I think i need to print that one off and frame it.

All these people with doctorates and decades of experience working with vaccines best move over for your superior wisdom. Would you like your nobel prize this week or next?

Actually just have the award for the most over inflated ego and pompous post of the week.

Can someone remind me about the flu vaccine? I mean what with all that DNA and mutant ninja turtles flying around, whats the point in that either?

Or is someone talking B-O-L-L-O-C-K-S in a spectacular fashion and then throwing in 'an appeal to authority' propaganda technique to try and win the argument because they dont know what the fuck they are actually talking about.

I mean, if you are going to try and pull that shit at least be specific and be honest that you said science rather than a degree in infectious diseases, probably because its in something that is either very generalised or completely unrelated like physics. Assuming you are, of course, telling the truth and have a real degree at all and not just one you bought off ebay.

Also. Heres one of many articles you can find in thirty seconds on google

medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-sars-cov-mutating-slowly-good.amp

Which says yes the virus is mutating slowly but at a much slower rate than seasonal flu which makes it much easier to get an initial vaccine (and then develop additional year on year adaptations to that vaccine in the same way we do for flu).

But having a science degree makes you not need to use fucking google and understand new research, cos your degree is THAT good.

And no, the rise in cases doesn't necessarily mean a second wave, it's only the tiniest increase in deaths so far too (well below what many were expecting). We absolutely won't be living like this for years,

You have to assume we are just following France. They currently have over 7000 cases a day but schools and most things are still open. If deaths start to go up fast in the couple of weeks, things might change. Worth watching if we want to understand our likely future.

Good news - the trial has been allowed to resume!

covid19vaccinetrial.co.uk/trial-resumes

@Timeforanewone

No, I think they are desperately hoping they will be successful. I don’t think it will be effective enough, and I suspect there’s danger of it altering DNA.

Scientists don't operate on the basis of blind 'hope'. If anything, they tend to be extremely cautious and err on the side of pessimism.

Great that you know better than the world class Oxford vaccine team, however. What with you having a science degree and all that.

@MarcelineMissouri I was just coming on to say that . It is indeed good news!