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Matt Hancock finally starts telling the truth

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jomartin281271 · 07/09/2020 16:00

This is an extract from an interview Matt Hancock gave on Radio 1 this morning, when he was reacting to the sharp increase in reported cases.

The health secretary stressed how serious coronavirus can be for young people, even though they are less likely to die or get seriously ill.
"Long Covid is really serious. And people can be in a bad way for months and months and months," he says.
"The second really important message is that younger people spread the disease, even if they don't have symptoms.
"Don't kill your gran by catching coronavirus and then passing it on. And you can pass it on before you've had any symptoms at all."

And now that schools have opened the number of cases has rocketed and children are unwittingly bringing the virus back into their homes, possibly infecting older members of their family. Isn't it about time we had some joined up thinking from this government. It's only a week ago that Gavin Williamson and Boris Johnson were telling us that young people were almost immune.

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SheepandCow · 07/09/2020 22:59

@Hereinthesticks It's incredibly frustrating when people don't listen and then we all suffer the consequences. There's just very little foresight. I remember saying to everyone I knew in February that we needed to temporarily close the borders. No-one believed me. They all thought ignoring it would stop it coming here. Seeing what was happening in China made it so obvious how serious things were, and how infectious. We then squandered the time we had over summer. Two opportunities missed, and now we're doing it all over again.

MadameBlobby · 07/09/2020 23:00

That’s exactly it @AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken. No one’s “arguing” but it’s totally naive just to say shut all the pubs without considering the consequences of that. It’s a shit sandwich for sure. Fucking vaccine can’t come quick enough.

MadameBlobby · 07/09/2020 23:01

[quote SheepandCow]@Hereinthesticks It's incredibly frustrating when people don't listen and then we all suffer the consequences. There's just very little foresight. I remember saying to everyone I knew in February that we needed to temporarily close the borders. No-one believed me. They all thought ignoring it would stop it coming here. Seeing what was happening in China made it so obvious how serious things were, and how infectious. We then squandered the time we had over summer. Two opportunities missed, and now we're doing it all over again.[/quote]
The whole thing was a bag of shite back in Feb. Half arsed quarantine and bloody holidaymakers and rugby goers gadding around all over the place and no one bothering their arse about it. Crazy. Still we are where we are, no point in revisiting that now.

MadameBlobby · 07/09/2020 23:04

@Hereinthesticks

But the science that led to the big government drive today shows that it is young people in pubs and bars catching and transmitting the virus. In Bolton the local councillor was on the news saying the same (especially the young people who work in those settings). So they are not low risk in reality. The inconsistency is in local lockdown areas. People are being restricted in their movements and not allowed to mix with other households socially. But social mixing in pubs and bars is unrestricted.
In Scotland the thinking is it’s being spread by house parties
SheepandCow · 07/09/2020 23:07

Yes unfortunately we can't go back (if only!) but we could learn from our mistakes. I doubt we will but I can but hope.

Hereinthesticks · 07/09/2020 23:07

Vaccine - agree on that.
USA will get the Oxford vaccine before us at this rate.

MarshaBradyo · 07/09/2020 23:09

Sheep I remember saying that the next pandemic you’d hear borders slamming shut from space and being rounded upon as WHO don’t advise it. But Taiwan did well to not listen.

NZ probably will come out on top economically if we get a vaccine rather than the hardship we’re about to go through

But I don’t still know if we could have done the same back then and I don’t think we can do it now

sleepwouldbenice · 07/09/2020 23:18

Message has not changed at all, you just need to listen

The suggestion is that primary school don’t transmit as much as adults.

The risk of secondary school pupils always deemed to be higher, esp including public transport aspects, hence teachers usually not in bubbles, face masks, not bought back to school On the whole until September etc

Transmission increase is from young adults Predominantly. Not school opening they’ve not been open long enough in England

If people actually followed the rules across all aspects, in particular social distancing in public and private , we simply wouldn’t be where we are.

But everyone just does what they want now

Time2change2 · 07/09/2020 23:22

@Sunshinegirl82 summed it up exactly. They have now announced that the 17-21 age group is most at risk for spreading it, so the narrative of fear is now shifting to get that age group to comply.
It’s all about manipulating that age group into compliance now. We all know the death rate is very low for 17-21 year olds so next stop- you can (made to sound like highly likely) get very ill.
Fear fear fear.

MJMG2015 · 07/09/2020 23:27

@greengreengrass14

The 'joined up thinking' would be that those on here who were stupid enough to have voted Tory, should never have voted fucking Tory.
Yeah, because labour would have done SO much better FFS
catsarecute · 07/09/2020 23:29

I definitely saw Matt Hancock being interviewed yesterday, claiming that schools are 'covid secure' (they most definitely are not). So whilst, yes, there is a different tone, I don't think it's being addressed properly.

I agree with those who said that parents who would like to temporarily take their children out of school (or only send them part-time) should be allowed to do so, with welfare checks being carried out on those not attending school at all. It's madness that government are threatening fines to all families regardless of their circumstances in the middle of a pandemic. Some parents will end up deregistering when they don't want to permanently withdraw their child from school, because of the threat of fines, and that doesn't do anyone any favours.

I also think primary schools and secondary schools should be treated differently. As secondary age pupils are shown to spread the virus in the same way as adults, the settings are massive so higher risk, and also parents of secondary age children often don't have the same need for 'childcare' that primary parents do. So blended learning could work a lot better for secondary age children than it would for primary, and be a lot safer (more than twice as safe if they are mixing with only half the amount of kids and also able to social distance from them). Of course vulnerable children/keyworker children may still need full time.

Blended learning might actually give schools and kids more consistency too. Because we all know that they're going to be in and out like yo-yos with cases being confirmed, contacts having to isolate, having to get tests for every cough or temperature. My son's school has had its first case already and there's 56 kids isolating now. They managed 3 days in before the first case.

I think schools could be made safer too. Temperature checks daily, and masks being encouraged for secondary kids. I would really love it if they managed to bring in the weekly saliva tests in schools that's been suggested.

@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken what about the vulnerable parents and vulnerable children? It's all very well saying I am to be vigilant as a vulnerable person, but when my child is mixing with 180 others 5 days a week with no social distancing, I'm pretty limited as to what I can do to stop myself getting it if he picks it up at school (he's having a shower when he gets in, clean uniform daily, got sanitizer to take into school, but ultimately I don't think that will prevent him catching it). We have been so careful, and now it all feels like it was pretty pointless really.

I am worried about the economy too, but if we can get levels lower, that will bring confidence back so that people want to go out and spend.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 07/09/2020 23:31

How much lower do the levels need to be????

No one ever answers that

Worriedmum999 · 07/09/2020 23:38

How much lower do the levels need to be???? No one ever answers that

Well, not shooting up by a thousand a day that’s for sure!

Nat6999 · 08/09/2020 01:05

Most schools by July had just got remote teaching sorted out when it was abandoned for the new school year, the schools who did a good job should share their knowledge with schools that struggled & get them up to full speed. It won't be long before we have flu season & covid to contend with, schools will be opening & shutting like a cuckoo clock. Ds had what we think was covid in March ( they weren't testing children unless in hospital) He still isn't well now, suffering chronic fatigue, pain in legs, headaches, blood tests keep on coming back clear, he wasn't really as ill as I expected him to be, just had a bad cough, aches, pains & a high temperature which cleared after 2-3 weeks, I dread to think how anyone who was badly hit by it was affected. From people who I have spoken to, the ones who were most poorly don't seem to have as bad a time after recovering, maybe because they had enforced rest while being so ill.

Torvean32 · 08/09/2020 04:42

I dont recall the govt saying children DON'T get it. It's just that children don't get affected so seriously.

Schools in my area are doing well. Back 3 weeks now and no cases. So it can be done sadely.
90% of cases are in 20-45 afe group. It's down to complacent selfish ppl who refuse to SD and wear masks.

ChanceChanceChance · 08/09/2020 04:57

@Torvean32

I dont recall the govt saying children DON'T get it. It's just that children don't get affected so seriously.

Schools in my area are doing well. Back 3 weeks now and no cases. So it can be done sadely.
90% of cases are in 20-45 afe group. It's down to complacent selfish ppl who refuse to SD and wear masks.

The problem is all this means is no symptomatic cases, yet.

The way the government is approaching schools doesn't really make sense to me, it is a dead cert to spread imo Sad

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 08/09/2020 05:04

@catsarecute

I definitely saw Matt Hancock being interviewed yesterday, claiming that schools are 'covid secure' (they most definitely are not). So whilst, yes, there is a different tone, I don't think it's being addressed properly.

I agree with those who said that parents who would like to temporarily take their children out of school (or only send them part-time) should be allowed to do so, with welfare checks being carried out on those not attending school at all. It's madness that government are threatening fines to all families regardless of their circumstances in the middle of a pandemic. Some parents will end up deregistering when they don't want to permanently withdraw their child from school, because of the threat of fines, and that doesn't do anyone any favours.

I also think primary schools and secondary schools should be treated differently. As secondary age pupils are shown to spread the virus in the same way as adults, the settings are massive so higher risk, and also parents of secondary age children often don't have the same need for 'childcare' that primary parents do. So blended learning could work a lot better for secondary age children than it would for primary, and be a lot safer (more than twice as safe if they are mixing with only half the amount of kids and also able to social distance from them). Of course vulnerable children/keyworker children may still need full time.

Blended learning might actually give schools and kids more consistency too. Because we all know that they're going to be in and out like yo-yos with cases being confirmed, contacts having to isolate, having to get tests for every cough or temperature. My son's school has had its first case already and there's 56 kids isolating now. They managed 3 days in before the first case.

I think schools could be made safer too. Temperature checks daily, and masks being encouraged for secondary kids. I would really love it if they managed to bring in the weekly saliva tests in schools that's been suggested.

@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken what about the vulnerable parents and vulnerable children? It's all very well saying I am to be vigilant as a vulnerable person, but when my child is mixing with 180 others 5 days a week with no social distancing, I'm pretty limited as to what I can do to stop myself getting it if he picks it up at school (he's having a shower when he gets in, clean uniform daily, got sanitizer to take into school, but ultimately I don't think that will prevent him catching it). We have been so careful, and now it all feels like it was pretty pointless really.

I am worried about the economy too, but if we can get levels lower, that will bring confidence back so that people want to go out and spend.

I think in cases like yours the parents should be able to continue home education without the risk of losing the child’s place at school. As I’ve said in a previous post.
sunseekin · 08/09/2020 05:57

@MarshaBradyo

It makes sense to talk about young not passing it on to old.

Atm it’s what we can do to keep children in school. Keep them separated. No issue with him saying this.

And for people that all live in one house. Statistically more likely to be from the BAME community. How is compulsory schooling over the next few months not met with outrage by society? How can we turn a blind eye?
Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 08/09/2020 06:15

Why should the young fuck their lives any more thing? They gave us six months. We can’t ask for more. A year is a huge time for a teen - and a decade of austerity is longer.

We have been selfish. Humans are sociable animals. We have to embrace this virus and move on and for those more at risk, they will have to take extra care. But we cannot ask more of our young and it’s highly selfish to do so.

MarshaBradyo · 08/09/2020 06:40

And for people that all live in one house. Statistically more likely to be from the BAME community. How is compulsory schooling over the next few months not met with outrage by society? How can we turn a blind eye?

It’s very difficult to allow one section to stay home and not find another section in a very poor situation, eg children in violent homes etc.

Aridane · 08/09/2020 07:18

@Alex50

I was wondering why London wasn’t showing a resurgence too. I don’t think it can be a case of “once and done”

Alex50 · 08/09/2020 07:28

@Aridane it’s weird isn’t it, it can’t be antibodies of over 8 million people, it couldn’t of spread that quick, pubs and restaurants are busy, not as busy as before I know, people are forgetting to social distance, middle class, middle age going abroad a couple of times this summer and not self isolating, I can’t understand it. Not just central London but the London boroughs as well.

Alex50 · 08/09/2020 07:29

Oh and lots of young people out enjoying themselves in London but it seems only young people from up North spread it 😊

Aridane · 08/09/2020 07:31

well of course they are still learning Hmm
it is a new virus.
every day is new

Actually I think that’s rather missing the poster’s point - which is not that it’s another virus, every new day is a school day blah blah but that it’s a totally novel coronavirus which confounds expectations, including with its multi organ effect. And there really is so much unknown

PremierInn · 08/09/2020 07:32

Could it be ..... herd immunity .....