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We have reached the limit of what we can open...back to work everybody!

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noblegiraffe · 06/09/2020 11:17

At the end of July, Chris Whitty said that we had just about reached the limit of what could be opened and that in future if we wanted to keep some things open, we would need to close other things.

There was a lot of debate in the media about closing pubs to open schools.

Other countries, such as Ireland, are impressing on the population the importance of everybody continuing to restrict contacts outside of school so that the virus will not spread out of control despite children's contacts increasing massively. We have simply had the message that schools are safe.

Even more things are re-opening even though cases are rising. Johnson is going to force civil servants back to the office as some kind of example to the rest of us.

It was asserted that for schools to re-open, we would need our world-beating track and trace system to be in place by September. I'm not sure what world-beating technology is capable of, but I'm pretty sure it's capable of more than a poster with a QR code on it when you go bowling.

And the testing system has already fallen over. So many posts about people being directed ludicrous distances away for testing. How will that keep schools and workplaces open over winter if people can't easily test negative to get out of isolation?

What is the plan here? Is there one? What happened to the science? What happened to careful re-opening?

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MagicalThinking · 06/09/2020 13:48

I get the impression everyone is fed up of the restrictions now and can't see the point of them. I think people have very short memories and it won't be until we get hundreds of deaths each day again that people will go back to caring.

I agree that the messaging from government is terrible. In the early days it was very clear that what we were doing was to protect the NHS. Now hospitals are empty, deaths are low and it isn't being spelled out why we are doing this and how long it is going to last for.

Shockingstocking · 06/09/2020 13:52

So far, apart a handful of exceptions, there haven't been outbreaks around workplaces

That is wildly inaccurate.

StealthPolarBear · 06/09/2020 13:55

Yes what about food manufacturers

herecomesthsun · 06/09/2020 13:57

@everythingisginandroses

The sarcasm on this thread is getting very dark.
The situation is quite dark. We need to find a way to talk about it that makes sense.
StealthPolarBear · 06/09/2020 14:00

@noblegiraffe

That’s true, Stealth, I am ashamed. Blush

Our world-beating government that has performed so well up till now undoubtedly has a clear handle on everything and I just don’t understand. Everything appears to be chaotic and nonsensical but that’s only to plebeian eyes.

That's OK, you're a teacher aren't you? The last six months of lying in bed and watching TV can't have done your critical thinking skills any good.
FinnyStory · 06/09/2020 14:06

@StealthPolarBear

Yes what about food manufacturers
That would be one of the "notable exceptions" I mentioned....

Strange how no one here was concerned about those low paid, often migrant workers and their working conditions.

StealthPolarBear · 06/09/2020 14:08

Fair point

noblegiraffe · 06/09/2020 14:15

I agree that the messaging from government is terrible.

What is the current messaging from the govt? Is it hands face space or did that die on its arse?

No one seems to know what the rules are and trying to tell kids that just because they are shoved into a room together at school doesn’t mean they can go out raving together isn’t having much impact.

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noblegiraffe · 06/09/2020 14:20

The last six months of lying in bed and watching TV can't have done your critical thinking skills any good.

OoooOOOooooooh Angry you’re lucky there’s a 2m rule protecting you right now.

Or is there? God knows any more.

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OpenlyGayExOlympicFencer · 06/09/2020 14:40

@QuestionMarkNow

If people are working from home (which they will have as furlough is finishing at the end of the month), they are not going to socialise more than if they are at work *@FinnyStory*.

And there has been outbreaks associated with work places (the obvious meat factory come to mind). But seeing that few offices are back to working onsite, it’s also unlikely that we would see outbreaks there.

Furlough finishes at the end of October, not this month. There are still millions of people on it, though it's true some will be doing partial hours.
sunseekin · 06/09/2020 14:47

@FinnyStory

I actually think getting people back to work might make things safer.

So far, apart a handful of exceptions, there haven't been outbreaks around workplaces whereas there have been lots of spikes caused by socialising at home, which will only increase as the weather turns and people can't use their gardens so much. Leaving people with less time to socialise might help control things.

What? Boris, is that you?!! 🧐
sunseekin · 06/09/2020 14:54

@GreyGardens88

We need to fire up the engines of the economy, and that means no more lounging around at home people! I can't wait to get back into the office tomorrow
You speak like it’s your first day back tomorrow and that you’ve just been motivated by Boris to get off your sofa return. Are you real? Or are you joking? 🙏

I feel like I’ve entered into some sort of weird chat with made up people! Please say you’re a joker. I like jokers so long as they’re not PM. I’m tired so probably being slow to catch on 🙏🙏

You were great on have I got news for you Boris.

MrsHerculePoirot · 06/09/2020 15:04

@MarcelineMissouri

I always get really annoyed by that too *@ohthegoats*. And also the implication.... I mean surely we are all in this together, we’re not trying to beat other countries, we all have the same goal and working together will enable us to reach that faster. Boris seems to live in the competition mindset.
Exactly this!
EDSGFC · 06/09/2020 15:10

The cracks are really starting to show (if they weren't already).

The testing system is already not coping - lack of drive in availability, postal test system is ridiculous given it takes time to receive the swabs and is limited by collection times, particularly over the weekend, the advice being given by individual drs appears to be at odds with government advice leading to confusion and uncertainty, employers getting annoyed about how long someone needs to be absent waiting for test results...and more.

Now they're seriously considering opening nightclubs etc once furlough ends even though cases are edging close to 2,000/day now.

Barbie222 · 06/09/2020 15:14

@FinnyStory that wasn't the picture painted in the PHE reports. Office outbreaks accounted for a large chunk. But the PHE and their inconvenient data will be going away soon!

Jaxhog · 06/09/2020 15:19

I also tried to book a home covid test yesterday only to be told each time that I tried, to try again later because there were none available!

Total waste of time. My nearest testing centre with a bookable slot is 100 miles away too. If I had serious COVID symptoms, I'm really going to travel that far for a test! Not. It does make you wonder who exactly is getting tested?

noblegiraffe · 06/09/2020 15:25

Now they're seriously considering opening nightclubs

You’re surely kidding. That would be mad given the outbreaks around nightclubs in other countries.

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herecomesthsun · 06/09/2020 15:26

@noblegiraffe

lol lol lol

EDSGFC · 06/09/2020 15:34

@noblegiraffe

Now they're seriously considering opening nightclubs

You’re surely kidding. That would be mad given the outbreaks around nightclubs in other countries.

I know. It's mad. I read it in an article yesterday - I think it's still under consideration but it's because the furlough scheme is ending in October and so I suppose the industry will collapse without either government support or being allowed to re-open. Presumably theatres will be in the same boat? I don't know why government wouldn't extend furlough for businesses who absolutely cannot re-open but then nothing about this government surprises me.
user12642379742146 · 06/09/2020 15:37

If I had serious COVID symptoms, I'm really going to travel that far for a test!

Well, as long as you went for a short drive to your nearest castle first to check you were safe to drive I am sure it would be ok.

Clavinova · 06/09/2020 15:51

Now they're seriously considering opening nightclubs

Sky News yesterday;

"A government spokesperson said: "We know this is an incredibly difficult time for nightclubs, but they will need to remain closed for now in line with current scientific advice to control the virus."

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-nightclub-owners-insist-venues-can-be-made-covid-19-safe-as-pandemic-keeps-them-shut-12064063

EDSGFC · 06/09/2020 16:01

[quote Clavinova]Now they're seriously considering opening nightclubs

Sky News yesterday;

"A government spokesperson said: "We know this is an incredibly difficult time for nightclubs, but they will need to remain closed for now in line with current scientific advice to control the virus."

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-nightclub-owners-insist-venues-can-be-made-covid-19-safe-as-pandemic-keeps-them-shut-12064063[/quote]
And the article I read was referring to when furlough ends - what do government plan to do if they intend to keep clubs shut past October? They may well intend keeping them shut "for now" meaning the next few weeks but then what?

herecomesthsun · 06/09/2020 16:05

they could use them to provide extra classrooms so schools can socially distance and pay them some rent to help with this?

TheABC · 06/09/2020 16:12

If we are serious about a world-besting system, we should set up Covid testing centers in the nightclubs. They are centrally located, well known and would help out the industry.

Too sensible? OK, let them reopen as clubs in November, just in the for the Christmas rush, and offer testing slips on the door.

Clavinova · 06/09/2020 16:12

what do government plan to do if they intend to keep clubs shut past October?

I expect they are still deliberating - they have 7 weeks. Some of this assistance still applies;

"Throughout the pandemic, nightclubs have access to the government's unprecedented package of support to help businesses, which includes business rates relief, tax deferrals, the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme and billions paid in loans and grants."