French schools: 430 pupils, 320 teachers, classes closed, some schools closed ...

[mintpeonies]

Initial numbers in from French schools: 430 pupils, 320 teachers, in different parts of the country covid positive. Around 100 classes closed, some schools closed ... Numbers confirmed tonight by Ministry of education. Expected that once 3 teachers in a school test positive, it closes

Have you got a link please?

They, like us, started back this week so I would take those figures as what is being taken into schools and being detected. After a few weeks we would have a clearer picture of the potential impact of schools reopening.

Well France is a big place with a lot more confirmed cases than us at the moment (though it remains to be seen if they actually have more cases proportionally).
That doesn’t sound so bad to me considering. The next few weeks will be chaotic for many schools but I think that will be more because of people coughing etc and having to stay home because they think they might have the virus not because they actually do

Whilst France is a much bigger country in area than the U.K, its population is similar.

That sounds quite a lot quite quickly. It sounds like they testing more effectively!

From Sky News today:

“French education minister Jean-Michel Blanquer confirmed the school closures, telling Europe 1 radio: "In mainland France there are currently 12 schools closed out of a total of over 60,000, which is a small figure.”

But the schools only went back on Tuesday so surely these people were infected BEFORE going back to school?

Out of over 67000 schools and over 12 million pupils

Just saying

950,000 teachers in France, 12.4 million schoolkids, 67 million population, 5783 rolling average of cases per day at just under 9000 in each of the last 2 days.

Schoolkids are 18.5% of the population, but

[quote MRex]950,000 teachers in France, 12.4 million schoolkids, 67 million population, 5783 rolling average of cases per day at just under 9000 in each of the last 2 days.

Schoolkids are 18.5% of the population, but

I'm just quoting Google. UK says 506,400.

"950,000 teachers in France, 12.4 million schoolkids"

There are just over 500,000 teachers in the UK, for about the same number of pupils

Their community thing is much 'worse' than ours. 9000 cases today I think, 7500 yesterday.

Their community thing is much 'worse' than ours. 9000 cases today I think, 7500 yesterday

I think it's hard to judge..I had to go into a local (French) lab yesterday for reasons various, one of two in our small town now offering free testing on the spot, and the queue for Covid testing was out of the door..It's a walk in, test on demand system, and a lot of people seemed did seem to be demanding it. Basically it appears that having made a slow start the French are finally getting a move on when it come to community testing

I'm not sure you can do any real comparison between the two nations until you have both the daily testing numbers and the daily number of positive tests.

@notimagain - you can just look that information up, then accept there is a bigger issue in France with rising cases.
Positivity rate: 3-5% France, UK 0.1-1%: ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/france?country=~FRA
Number of tests - targeting 1m per week i.e. less than 143k/day France, 176k yesterday in UK: www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Five-hour-wait-for-Covid-tests-as-France-targets-1m-tests-nationwide-per-week, coronavirus.data.gov.uk.

I was thinking this. Cases between countries cannot be compared if
Say we do not test but maybe others do
Quarantining from holiday people
Or contacts of positives

We would get several asymptomatic positives for every positive person possibly. What might happen is other countries cases rise quicker but they gain more control of it by isolating the asymptomatic contacts.
Eg in the one factory here the factory ended up paying and finding 70? More cases. If other countries routinely do that they would have those people's family isolated too. And again testing those family would shut down the next lot of contacts.
Also with schools we let siblings obviously carry on going (contacts) but we know many kids are asymptomatic. So it will spread to the next bubble and on until someone symptomatic

@BigChocFrenzy

"950,000 teachers in France, 12.4 million schoolkids"

There are just over 500,000 teachers in the UK, for about the same number of pupils

Which will be allowing French teachers to socially distance much better than U.K. teachers - this is a worry I think. It also shows how underfunded out education system is.

506,400 teachers in uk and 10.3 million pupils

Yes that is pretty stark comparison, 50% more pupils per teacher.

The ukmschool system really has been underfunded for too long!

Health authorities on Friday reported 8,975 new confirmed cases, almost 1,500 higher than the previous daily peak of 7,578 on March 31, when France was in one of Europe's strictest coronavirus lockdowns.

After falling steadily for months after an April 14 peak of 32,292, the number of people hospitalised was up by 28 on Friday to 4,671, rising for a sixth day in a row.

And many people thought the UK wouldn't go the way of Italy in March. I don't think it's daft to compare to France when our own cases are increasing. Over 1800 cases today when people are struggling to get tested and some places in the UK have ran out of tests

Does France have the same issue with tests that the UK does? (Counting some more than once- I read on another thread that 1 positive person can account for 3 tests/lack of tests etc)

France has increased from about 30 cases per 100,000 (when we reimposed quarantine 3 weeks ago) to 111.6, and in the same time the death rate has gone from 0.1 to 0.3 per 100,000

Spain is also seeing a rise (especially in death rate which has reached 0.9, cases 240.6 (source ECDC))

It's hardly surprising that they are (re)introducing stricter transmission control measures. No-one want to see that rate of rise continuing

@TheSeedsOfADream - the double-counted tests were removed from UK figures (www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-testing-data-double-counting-error-nhs-covid-19-pandemic-a9670341.html).
I've no idea about any particular French test count issues, none mentioned here where you might expect a comment: www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Coronavirus-What-do-the-latest-updates-mean-for-France. The only note of caution is that France's positivity rate is higher, so maybe a slightly higher risk of asymptomatic cases.

(Or missed cases for other reasons)