Back from abroad - straight in to school

[Realitea]

DD went back to school today. There's a child in her class who just got back from Portugal yesterday. Been there for two months. I know they don't have to quarantine but surely it's a bit selfish going straight in to school after arriving back in the country? A lot of parents are concerned now. How likely is it that she could have brought back the virus? Isn't it a bit selfish considering a lot of people are quite worried right now?

They have been in an airport with people coming and going from all over the world. Anyone who visits an airport is a potential risk to others. It isn’t great for the child but it seems unfair to potentially inflict the virus on others.

How many days before would you have come back then, OP? 2? 5? 14?

Portugal came off the quarantine list and the family are doing nothing wrong.

As others have said, their risk is probably no higher than many others in the class who have been to supermarkets, bars, using UK public transport...

@Howmanyhourswastedfindinganame - you clearly haven’t been in an airport recently. Massive spaces with plenty of fresh air in them and hardly any people. Pubs, on the other hand...

Give your daughter a saucepan and wooden spoon tomorrow and tell her to follow the other child around, banging the saucepan and shouting' unclean! Unclean!'

That'll teach her family to come back from forrin the day before school

Anyone who visits an airport is a potential risk to others, but then again so is anyone who uses public transport in the UK, visits a pub or restaurant in the UK or socialises with others indoors in the UK without social distancing! Looking at Portugal's rates, they are much lower than for much of the UK. Would you expect the girl to quarantine if she'd visited Manchester?

If she doesn't have to quarantine then she will be expected to be back in school. The government has made it clear that attendance is not optional and all children should attend unless they are ill, have to quarantine or have to self isolate due to T&T or having symptoms (or someone in household does.)

@Realitea

I’m just saying they should’ve maybe come back a bit sooner than the day before. I would have.

Why? What difference would it have made if the child came back a few days earlier? Covid rates in Portugal similar to uk and no huge risk at airports or on planes either so I genuinely don't understand why you think the child should not be at school?

For all you know one of the other children in the class is fresh from a massive extended family indoor get together with zero social distancing, because they are 100% happening right now. You have no actual idea what anyone has actually been up to...but yes, gossip away about one individual child.

Blimey so you want people who don't have to quarantine to?

Absolutely ridiculous.

This is like the other thread where the OP was trying to make her son quarantine from Xante even though there was no legal requirement for him to do so.

Follow the rules, don't make up your own.

Good grief. And here's why people complain about playground bitching - amongst parents.

Yes, yes you are being exceptionally unreasonable.

@Clymene

Give your daughter a saucepan and wooden spoon tomorrow and tell her to follow the other child around, banging the saucepan and shouting' unclean! Unclean!'

That'll teach her family to come back from forrin the day before school

Christ all this clucking where there's no need.

I'm very cautious and aware of covid but life has to go on. I've been back at work for months, taking public transport and I'm somewhere on the government watchlist.

Just mind your own business and stop trying to police others.

A number of children in dds school haven’t bothered quarantining coming from countries they should have quarantined from. Now that I’m bothered about.

Another fucking busybody

Get a life, you sad case

Would have been worse if they had spent holidays in any number of different towns in England!

OP perhaps you can tell us exactly what you, your DD and any other household members have been doing for the last 2 weeks and we can tell you whether it was OK for you to send her back to school?

Poor kid, Surrey spiteful, bitching do-gooders, none of whom I bet are brave enough to speak to the parents, far easier to concentrate on a child 😳🤬

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@Keepdistance

Why are you just making things up?

So airports/planes are hugh risk now...seriously just don't invent things

Ok maybe you dont make things up.
Of course it's high risk. Otherwise why are people having to quarantine- because they have come from high risk countries.
They are still flying in going through the whole airport.

There was a man on a Pisa flight who presumably needed a test to prove he didnt have it. Except he got a test result just before take off as positive.
Otherwise (bearing in mind that isnt uk rules) he would have been on a several hour flight with people (masked) and airport and transfers. Possibly still even contagious the whole trip and way back.

I seriously doubt they can clean all surfaces and planes are used several times a day and probably on different routes.
Yes im sure you can catch it anywhere in uk especially high footfall areas. But it's interesting that france and spain were ok till we all went on holiday there (excepting nightclubs) even greece etc.
I mean it may be safer than hospitals/care homes/pubs and schools.

Also if an average holiday is 7d. And average incubation 5d certainly possible for people to be presymptomatic on a return trip.
If you go to some countries the airports are common change overs too so say spain and brazil.
Covid has spread originally by travel. Eg madrid football match /cheltenham etc. Maybe the measures are enough who knows

So should all kids who have been on public transport, eaten out in restaurants, cafes, been to busy shops and parks with friends also quarantine before returning to school

Should we also have a list of all the teachers who have recently returned from holiday abroad?

Well only the restaurants are maskless. In theory the shops/pt are safer. Although i guess under 11 arent wearing masks for anything.

I just think people need to have a bit of empathy for the ex shielded people and kids now at school. Yes maybe none of those things seem like a big risk to you. But as it's airborne it is the risk 'you' impose on the rest of the class/yeargroup etc.
For eg. In mar the gov only said xyz parts of Italy. Obviously incorrectly as there were other areas. Anyway dc2 got sick 5d after half term. (There is an italian kid at preschool). Dd had a temp and vomited. (So according to gov was fine as only 1 symptom. And hadnt been abroad. Then later a runny nose. A cough started on day 8 or so. Was it covid i dont know. The rest of us did get sick but much later. And i had trouble breathing. I expect technically the parent hadnt done anything wrong. As i assume they would have been to another part of italy and its the gov error. But otoh would it be sensible at that time to have come back from italy and sent a child straight to preschools which had no precautions.
Our gov guidelines are always way too little as they want it to spread but slowly.
But between gov rules and people ignoring them other kids parents and gp will die. (Luckily we saw my shielded mum on the wed but not after that). Again gov cover up about how widespread it was.

Imagine yourself with ex shielded child/parent/gp in the house and hsving to trust your kids classmates. (Well there is no trust as everyone is doing exactly as they want within the rule or not.
Whilst faced with fines for not attending or lose school place.

Imo the rules would be better to say that non quarantine countries but dont go anywhere for x days without a mask. So no school/pubs etc.

I wonder if care homes etc consider it a high risk and so do they test returning staff now?

They don't have to quarantine so that's that.

I feel sorry for the child knowing a bunch of playground gossips are busy having a good old bitch on their pedestals. I hope nobody gossiping has been to a pub, or restaurant, of the shops, they better not have been meeting up with friends, or family either.