Covid spreading in Scottish schools

[jomartin281271]

I can't say I'm surprised. The idea that there could be covid in the community, and somehow when our kids get to the school gates they walk into a magic land where the virus doesn't exist is nonsense. The Scottish schools have been back for two weeks now, so this is a priview of what we can expect in the rest of the UK.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/18693187.coronavirus-scotland-evidence-shows-spread-covid-19-glasgow-schools/

Sorry, by 'what we want' I was referring to being able to live with it.

but we don't yet know what schools will cause in terms of transmission

No we don’t.

We do know however, the societal, personal, economic cost of not providing education to our children.

@TheKeatingFive

but we don't yet know what schools will cause in terms of transmission

No we don’t.

We do know however, the societal, personal, economic cost of not providing education to our children.

Yes, but we also know the impact to our children of their teachers and parents becoming seriously ill, or of uncontrolled spread.

We need to dial down the anger and the arguing and just see what happens.

Ultimately we all want a healthy society and we all want good education. I don't understand why there are sides to be taken.

We will know a lot in a month, in two months, in six months.

and just see what happens.

Exactly. I don’t think we’re on different ‘sides’ here.

I hear a few people say blended learning was really bad for them.

Where was blended learning done? Here we just had "learning from home" which was a different thing to blended learning. Learning from home was the occasional Zoom/Teams call and lots of parents trying to help kids make head or tail of it (not blaming the teachers - they did an amazing job at very short notice).

I'm not aware of anywhere in Scotland that actually implemented blended learning - i.e. getting the children back in the classroom part time in smaller groups. The idea of blended learning being to give the kids face to fact support while in school and targeted consolidation work for when they are away.

@TheKeatingFive

and just see what happens.

Exactly. I don’t think we’re on different ‘sides’ here.

That's what I'm saying, but there's so much anger.

The people screaming schools 'can't' shut are just as scared as the people saying they 'must' shut.

The reality is they might have to shut, and not one of us from Chris Whitty down knows.

@Happyheartlovelife

For those who say

The risk to children is minimal. Your child is highly unlikely to die

If you child then does die of coronavirus. That they are that 1 in whatever

If someone was then to say to you

Bad luck. The risk was minimal. Will you go. Oh yeah. Agree!

For heaven's sake.....a child is many many many many times more likely to get killed in an accident on the way to school, than catching this fucking virus at school and then dying from it. Do you stop your child leaving the house in case they have an accident???

Some people are just plain stupid if they can't or won't understand this.

Where was blended learning done?

I expect they mean remote learning

@TheKeatingFive

I seriously do not get this halt at all costs idea. It makes no sense at all to me.

It’s utter batshit.

And it’s come out of nowhere. The point of the initial lockdown was flattening the curve. That’s been done. The impact of Covid on the health service is barely perceptible right now.

Obviously we have to guard against that rising to unmanageable levels, but there’s a huge amount of gradation between zero Covid and overrun health service.

Not sure I have seen anyone advocate for "halt at all costs". Maybe I need to go back and read the whole thread again.

@TheKeatingFive

Where was blended learning done?

I expect they mean remote learning

But that's a completely different thing

Explains a lot though!

@TheKeatingFive

I seriously do not get this halt at all costs idea. It makes no sense at all to me.

It’s utter batshit.

And it’s come out of nowhere. The point of the initial lockdown was flattening the curve. That’s been done. The impact of Covid on the health service is barely perceptible right now.

Obviously we have to guard against that rising to unmanageable levels, but there’s a huge amount of gradation between zero Covid and overrun health service.

Yes, but there is a time frame for the health service being overwhelmed suddenly.

From person infected -

Average 5 days until symptoms start (2-14 but mostly around 5 days)
>
Average 6-10 days after symptoms start until hospitalisation for severe cases
>
Another 5-14 days until death if that sadly occurs. Sometimes even longer.

We are always working a few weeks behind.

Some people are just plain stupid if they can't or won't understand this.

It is well documented that humans are terrible at assessing risk.

Yes, but there is a time frame for the health service being overwhelmed suddenly.

And we have extensive scientific modelling to understand it and react.

But that's a completely different thing

We’ll surely it’s the same as the 50% of blended learning that’s done at home?

It's not the odd absence in our local high school either. Chunks of classes not in because of what appears to be a bad cold virus.

Some relevant info from today - R rate in Scotland could be up to 1.4 now, deaths across UK 15 today, and most importantly given what we need to be able to do is stamp out these type of outbreaks - English test and trace failed to reach a THIRD of contacts.

These are all very important things in this experiment of can the UK manage to reopen schools and workplaces without the wheels coming off.

Plus more issues getting tests.

None of know if schools can still be open come November.

Sorry, deaths in England were 15, Scotland another one.

These are the things that will need to be watched going forwards, as they will determine if schools can stay open.

Sturgeon made clear Scotland's Trace and Protect got 90% of contacts - so maybe more hope for Scotland than England.

@jomartin281271

I'm not going to wait until our children are lying in an ICU bed before accepting that this is a massive social experiment, and the government are using our teachers and children as guinea pigs.

Zzzz

For heaven's sake.....a child is many many many many times more likely to get killed in an accident on the way to school, than catching this fucking virus at school and then dying from it. Do you stop your child leaving the house in case they have an accident???

This.

Humans really are absolutely terrible at assessing risk aren't they?!

Ok then @jomartin281271 ..... what are you going to do then? What do you think we should do? Would love to hear what your ideas are...since your comment below is quite frankly ridiculous.

'jomartin281271
I'm not going to wait until our children are lying in an ICU bed before accepting that this is a massive social experiment, and the government are using our teachers and children as guinea pigs.'

Our kids have been back 17 days in this part of Scotland. No issues. Just complete and utter relief.

@TheKeatingFive

But that's a completely different thing

We’ll surely it’s the same as the 50% of blended learning that’s done at home?

No. Quite different.

No. Quite different.

Why?

Pupils who have difficulty engaging or with the work should be supported. How do suppose that might happen?

300% increase in testing in one week yet only 49 children actually tested positive and no real evidence of in school transmission. Most are related to families who have been abroad