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Dreading DD going back to school

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MumtoEDSDD · 29/08/2020 12:15

DD is 6, going into year 2.

She has Joint Hypermobility Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, shallow hip sockets, and arthritis in her ankles. One of the best ways to keep her walking and healthy is lots and lots of little spurts of exercise.

I chose her state primary school as they have huge grounds, lots of outdoor learning and what they call a fluid curriculum. For infants (Nursery, then YR-Y2) this means lots of walking round their classroom deliberately to do things or get equipment on the other side of the room in the upper years this is lots of outdoor learning and trips, they also have toilets nearby to all apart from the year 5 and 6 classrooms. This is basically perfect for her paired with extra curricular activities that include exercise; swimming, gymnastics and dance.

DD really struggled for the first year at school as she was undiagnosed, so she got behind with her fine motor skills. Hardwork and physio got her back to herself. School since diagnosis has always been a big burst of physio for her supplemented by stuff I do at home and we’ve seen masses of improvements in all areas of her development, yes she has some adjustments to the uniform and is allowed to opt out of certain activities due to pain but otherwise she’s a normal 6 year old.

But now she will be expected to sit at a table for 4-5 hours per day only allowed to move from her seat at her allotted toilet break times. Outdoor playtime will be twice per week for 15 minutes if the weathers bad then it’s indoor play like the rest of the week. Lunch will be eaten at their tables in the classrooms, no walking to the hall and balancing it (which helps her). PE will be outside and will not take place if the weathers bad and DD won’t be able to take part either way as they are asking children to come to school in PE kit and trainers with no option to change, trainers do not offer her the support she needs to walk, and school have said she won’t have the chance to change her shoes so she misses it. There will be no little walks to the library or toilet, no getting up from her seat. No 1-1 work from either teacher or TA, no small group work in the class as they’re expecting year 2 and above to SD. No reading books. They will only be able to touch their friends during their playtimes. Teachers and TAs may choose to wear masks too.

The effect on DD could be catastrophic. If she’s in pain she stops walking, if this goes on too long she could end up in a wheelchair permanently.

This is not a criticism of the school or DDs lovely headteacher, they have tried to find a way round the rules for DD. They’ve always been flexible and put DDs health above the rules, but now the health of 420 children is at risk they can’t single DD out.

DD has never needed an EHCP as her needs are more physical and school have always helped with that. She has no behaviour problems. She used to love school; I can see this putting her off learning forever.

Corona sucks…yes I know it could be worse, but I have a right to be angry that my DD is being thrown under a bus basically. It will not be education, the heads admitted that in a letter, it will be babysitting to get the parents back to work which isn’t actually helpful to me as I work from home anyway.

I am considering deregistering, but the school is oversubscribed and she won’t get back into it if I remove her and want to put her back in it at a later date.

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ineedaholidaynow · 03/09/2020 08:58

Yes that was pretty shocking @TheKeatingFive

MumtoEDSDD · 03/09/2020 09:54

@TheKeatingFive

Did the head clarify what she meant when she said she was providing childcare not education? That’s the bit that shocked me.
No, but I have asked the chair of governors to raise it with the head. I am assuming she means it won't be education as we know it, as usually there's loads of flexibility and they adapt around problems.
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MumtoEDSDD · 03/09/2020 16:14

Sounds like she’s had some outside time today even though it wasn’t year 2s playtime. She says Miss X (her teacher) took them all outside and she saw her friends from the other class and then her teacher wasn’t there but Mrs Z (other year 2 teacher) was and then Mrs Z wasn’t there but her teacher was and then they went inside again when Mrs Z came back.

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MumtoEDSDD · 04/09/2020 20:42

I think I now understand the not education comment.

DDs come out today upset because she wasn't allowed to play "tag" they were allowed to play but not touch each other and they had to shout "tag" from 2 metres away. Her friend fell over, she wasn't allowed to hug her and the teacher didn't even go over to her (confirmed by the child who fell over) she just shouted to ask if she was ok and no accident form sent home as nothing is coming out of school. She's not having any 1-1 or group time with the teacher, so she's not actually learning much as they're not allowed to gather around a table or on the carpet to watch a demo, they're literally sat at a table 2 tables per row with 2 metres between them and not allowed to move unless she asks permission. We've already had two toileting accidents that I was called about today because she couldn't hold it until the next toilet break (her conditions mean she can't hold it, school are aware but have said they need a letter from the Dr to say why she can't hold it and even if I get that and they agree to let her go the toilets are locked now between bubbles breaks for cleaning so the teacher/TA still has to find the key and take her to the toilet).

I am seriously worried about DDs MH in this environment.

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Treesofwood · 04/09/2020 21:50

I would be seriously worried too.

Treesofwood · 04/09/2020 21:51

Did she have to clean herself up after accidents?

manicinsomniac · 04/09/2020 22:36

DDs come out today upset because she wasn't allowed to play "tag" they were allowed to play but not touch each other and they had to shout "tag" from 2 metres away. Her friend fell over, she wasn't allowed to hug her and the teacher didn't even go over to her (confirmed by the child who fell over) she just shouted to ask if she was ok and no accident form sent home as nothing is coming out of school. She's not having any 1-1 or group time with the teacher, so she's not actually learning much as they're not allowed to gather around a table or on the carpet to watch a demo, they're literally sat at a table 2 tables per row with 2 metres between them and not allowed to move unless she asks permission. We've already had two toileting accidents that I was called about today because she couldn't hold it until the next toilet break (her conditions mean she can't hold it, school are aware but have said they need a letter from the Dr to say why she can't hold it and even if I get that and they agree to let her go the toilets are locked now between bubbles breaks for cleaning so the teacher/TA still has to find the key and take her to the toilet)

This is just appalling. I can't understand how a school can interpret the guidance like that for KS1. We're not even being a quarter that strict with KS3!

The changing shoes thing is just weird. Ours have to change their shoes every breaktime anyway and we are doing normal use of the changing rooms for PE. They have PE every day and 3 outside breaks a day. I'm 99% sure this will not be outwith the government rules because we're a private school and our insurers are a pain about letting us do anything that goes against guidance (eg we wanted Y8 back instead of Y6 on 1st June because Y8 are our leavers but insurers said no).

But trying to get children to distance in a KS1 bubble and restricting their movement to the point that they wet themselves is a safeguarding issue - they will be miserable. There is no distancing between children required at any age and the govt accepted that it wouldn't be possible for teachers to distance from young children (I don't think it specified young but must include KS1. We are only distancing from children in Y5 and up and even then only when possible.)

I would be trying your best to find another school asap. I know you said it's oversubscribed but I can't imagine it staying that way for long. They're insane.

MumtoEDSDD · 04/09/2020 23:40

@Treesofwood

Did she have to clean herself up after accidents?
Yes she did, pre-covid she’d have at least had someone stand over her and help with shoes or trousers etc but now they’re standing two metres away. Oh and I had to take a change of clothes into school as they’re not allowed to keep anything on their pegs or keep a spare set of clothes at school.
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Mummyto3gorgeousgirlies · 04/09/2020 23:49

You need a to raise this formally to the head and governors of the school.
This is beyond what other primary schools are doing... my children still have their 2/3 outside breaks depending on ages - and they have divided the playground up and staggered the timings of the breaks. Yes they’re also eating at desks packed lunches and not sharing the hall as we don’t have space / time to have only a class/bubble at a time but outside play is a major factor to their mental and physical health - whilst I appreciate even more so for your daughter with EDS it’s also for all children. Why don’t you give it a few days and see what the reality is like as maybe it will be different to how it sounds on paper. Also they can make exception for one child to change shoes - this sounds totally inflexible and nothing to do with Covid protection.... good luck and fight your battle - your daughter deserves to be in school with her friends

ineedaholidaynow · 05/09/2020 09:24

I think you need to complain but you need to follow the complaints policy, there should be a copy on the school website.

MumtoEDSDD · 21/09/2020 20:22

So a quick chat with the chair of governors has got me a result. They've agreed to compromise.

A plastic chair will be taken outside, DD with the help of a TA who will wear gloves and an apron will sit on the chair and have her shoes changed to her trainers, the shoes stay under the chair for her lesson, then the same will happen in reverse at the end of the lesson. Her trainers have to go to school in a plastic supermarket bag (I assume a disposable one) and I have to throw the bag away at the end of the day and quarentine her trainers for 72 hours (not gonna happen but I nodded and said yes).

2 other children in the class will also have the same, their chair will be theres and the chairs will be sanitized afterwards.

I can live with this compromise! DD was so happy to be doing PE with her friends again today.

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OpheliasCrayon · 21/09/2020 20:53

@MumtoEDSDD

DD is 6, going into year 2.

She has Joint Hypermobility Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, shallow hip sockets, and arthritis in her ankles. One of the best ways to keep her walking and healthy is lots and lots of little spurts of exercise.

I chose her state primary school as they have huge grounds, lots of outdoor learning and what they call a fluid curriculum. For infants (Nursery, then YR-Y2) this means lots of walking round their classroom deliberately to do things or get equipment on the other side of the room in the upper years this is lots of outdoor learning and trips, they also have toilets nearby to all apart from the year 5 and 6 classrooms. This is basically perfect for her paired with extra curricular activities that include exercise; swimming, gymnastics and dance.

DD really struggled for the first year at school as she was undiagnosed, so she got behind with her fine motor skills. Hardwork and physio got her back to herself. School since diagnosis has always been a big burst of physio for her supplemented by stuff I do at home and we’ve seen masses of improvements in all areas of her development, yes she has some adjustments to the uniform and is allowed to opt out of certain activities due to pain but otherwise she’s a normal 6 year old.

But now she will be expected to sit at a table for 4-5 hours per day only allowed to move from her seat at her allotted toilet break times. Outdoor playtime will be twice per week for 15 minutes if the weathers bad then it’s indoor play like the rest of the week. Lunch will be eaten at their tables in the classrooms, no walking to the hall and balancing it (which helps her). PE will be outside and will not take place if the weathers bad and DD won’t be able to take part either way as they are asking children to come to school in PE kit and trainers with no option to change, trainers do not offer her the support she needs to walk, and school have said she won’t have the chance to change her shoes so she misses it. There will be no little walks to the library or toilet, no getting up from her seat. No 1-1 work from either teacher or TA, no small group work in the class as they’re expecting year 2 and above to SD. No reading books. They will only be able to touch their friends during their playtimes. Teachers and TAs may choose to wear masks too.

The effect on DD could be catastrophic. If she’s in pain she stops walking, if this goes on too long she could end up in a wheelchair permanently.

This is not a criticism of the school or DDs lovely headteacher, they have tried to find a way round the rules for DD. They’ve always been flexible and put DDs health above the rules, but now the health of 420 children is at risk they can’t single DD out.

DD has never needed an EHCP as her needs are more physical and school have always helped with that. She has no behaviour problems. She used to love school; I can see this putting her off learning forever.

Corona sucks…yes I know it could be worse, but I have a right to be angry that my DD is being thrown under a bus basically. It will not be education, the heads admitted that in a letter, it will be babysitting to get the parents back to work which isn’t actually helpful to me as I work from home anyway.

I am considering deregistering, but the school is oversubscribed and she won’t get back into it if I remove her and want to put her back in it at a later date.

Newspapers do not have my permission to use this.

I'm sorry OP. I don't have much advice (although I'm a teacher's I don't make the rules )..... But I just wanted to wish your DD all the best. I have the same as her EDS and arthritis absolutely everywhere, so I truly feel for her if she needs to sit down the whole time. I'm hoping you would be able to advocate for her and I'm hoping that the school will listen to her needs. It's tough poor little mite ❤️
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