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To think winter will be worse?

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misschoices · 15/08/2020 15:21

I am under the impression that winter will be worse than other winters.

Flu, colds and adding to that the coronavirus.

I'm thinking of sheltering more during the winter again, back to online shopping and not much indoor activity.

What are your thoughts? Am I wrong?

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CloudsCanLookLikeSheep · 15/08/2020 21:16

Hopefully there will be less spread of normal coughs and colds due to SD, masks etc.

A winter without any colds will be a silver lining!

toastmeahotcrossbun · 15/08/2020 21:28

Same as whatisforteamum that I don't like the winter anyway and being able to sit outside a little bit is what's kept me going.

Added to whatever happens we've got Brex-shit from January and if it's no deal, which looks likely now, then almost guaranteed shortages of everything so that will add a new layer of grim ness Sad Angry

CoffeeandCroissant · 15/08/2020 21:39

^Some public health experts have warned that health systems in North America and Europe will face a double challenge if the coming autumn and winter weather fuels both another wave of COVID-19 and the usual seasonal influenza epidemics. As well as the additional stress on health systems, people who get both infections back to back or at the same time may face added health risks.

Fortunately, the same public health and social measures that have been recommended to curtail COVID-19 also work exceptionally well to reduce influenza and some other respiratory infections. In an earlier Weekly Science Review, we presented flu surveillance data from countries that were affected by COVID-19 in March and April. After implementing COVID-19 responses, including mandated restrictions, many saw their influenza cases drop off weeks earlier than expected. In temperate countries of the Southern Hemisphere seasonal influenza usually occurs from May to September. In its most recent surveillance update, the World Health Organization (WHO) concludes that the Southern Hemisphere’s 2020 flu season hadn’t even started as of July 19, right when many countries expect to see case counts cresting. The image below shows seasonal influenza cases experienced in Chile for the first 28 weeks of each year since 2015, with barely any activity in 2020. Even in tropical countries where flu can occur sporadically year-round, influenza cases and positive samples reported to WHO have been sparse in recent weeks, and none at all were reported from tropical zones of Africa, South America, or Southeast Asia.

Seasonal influenza cases reported by epidemiological weeks 1 to 28, 2015–2020.
Chile's Influenza Cases During Flu Season
This may be an encouraging trend, if it truly reflects that efforts to mitigate or suppress COVID-19 are simultaneously reducing the burden of another potentially grave respiratory illness such as seasonal influenza. Furthermore, with less global travel, there may be less global circulation of influenza viruses. WHO warns, however, that at least part of what’s being observed may be a collateral effect of the COVID-19 pandemic. If fear or mandated restrictions deter many people from seeking treatment, influenza cases may go undetected and unreported. If hospitals and health systems are overburdened with COVID-19, they may not be able to test and report on influenza as effectively as they have in prior years. And there is another reason for those of us in the Northern Hemisphere to be concerned: each year epidemiologists and virologists monitor seasonal influenza in the south in order to anticipate the coming season in the north (and they learn from what happens in the north to anticipate the following season in the south). That includes important work to select viruses for the seasonal flu vaccine and to anticipate how extensive transmission is likely to be. With so little seasonal transmission happening now, it will be harder to prepare for the Northern Hemisphere flu season in the coming months and predict which strains are likely to circulate, if there is a widespread influenza season. For their part, vaccine manufacturers are gearing up to produce and ship record numbers of flu shot doses for the coming season. Ultimately, according to Johns Hopkins University’s Outbreak Observatory, “the severity of seasonal influenza in the Northern Hemisphere may depend heavily on how well countries are containing COVID-19.” Wherever widespread COVID-19 transmission is occurring, seasonal influenza is likely to spread rapidly as well. Wherever health systems are already stressed by COVID-19 cases, the added burden of influenza will compound the crisis.^
preventepidemics.org/covid19/science/weekly-science-review/august-1-7-2020/

RaspberryRuff · 15/08/2020 21:42

Probably. Not a lot we can do though except stick to the rules and hope it keeps it at bay. The virus doesn’t come from nowhere it comes if we give it a chance to spread. If we don’t it should help keep numbers down. As you say it’s one winter, no pandemic lasted forever.

Hedgehog44 · 15/08/2020 21:52

I've always online shopped. As long as DS15 gets some school every week and I can work, be it in the office or at home, I am ready to be locked up again.

MarshmallowManiac · 15/08/2020 22:19

A combination of both Miss, best to be prepared Smile Also don't forget we have Brexit at the end of the year, when I feel there will be a lot of delays on lorries coming from Europe and other countries, so it doesn't hurt to slowly increase the products you buy by a few tins/packets each week.

itsgettingweird · 15/08/2020 22:43

I think there are 3 things that could happen.

A) people are naturally more wary of the wave at winter having been primed for it they'll be careful and things will be ok

B) people will be fatigued of measures and as Boris said all open and normal as poisoned by November those at the end of their tether will just not be able to go past this as they've waited for it

C)we will have a massive national discrepancy in cases and local lockdowns will be hard for those involved whilst other areas enjoy the freedoms we've had (albeit limited) since phase 1.

I don't think a other national lockdown will happen but I'm also worried if it does I won't be prepared and it'll be very damaging.

misschoices · 16/08/2020 00:35

I don't think another national lockdown will happen either - I certainly am not mentally prepared for it. But I am ok with mask order and Social distancing measures.

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TheClaws · 16/08/2020 04:36

In Australia, we are just about to come out of the winter season. Colds and flu have been almost non-existent due to SD, a high take-up of the flu jab, masks, lockdowns, people working from home, kids not at school as much, etc. Flu deaths have been zero.

KitKatastrophe · 16/08/2020 08:43

[quote misschoices]@PineappleUpsideDownCake

Our family always has prawn cocktail but I guess if the stores don't have any, we will have to adjust. It's just we always have them for Christmas, and it seems like I have to let go of 'tradition' now and adapt to the circumstances.
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You can buy frozen prawns and jarred marie rose sauce (or make you own) so the only thing missing would be lettuce which probably wouldn't be that hard to come by (not exactly a stockpiles staple)

CrunchyCarrot · 16/08/2020 08:55

I honestly don't think winter is going to be anything like as bad as some people think it will be. As some have said, there's likely to be a bigger uptake of flu jabs so flu cases could be far lower. As we don't have a crystal ball, talk of second/third waves of Coronavirus may not even happen.

For me the main thing to prepare for in winter is a No Deal Brexit. Otherwise I remain hopeful.

BBCONEANDTWO · 16/08/2020 09:12

I don't think it will get worse in the winter, flu jabs are being given to lots more people, people aren't as jammed together as usual and even if some are 'breaking the rules' there are a lot who are still social distancing.

Treatments are far better than when the pandemic started as well, and hospitals are ready for it. I bet A&E admissions have vastly gone down this year also.

Gladiffer · 16/08/2020 09:17

I can't see how it will be. We will likely still have SD etc in place...

Except in schools, where it will be non-existent 😬

itsgettingweird · 16/08/2020 09:26

@misschoices

I don't think another national lockdown will happen either - I certainly am not mentally prepared for it. But I am ok with mask order and Social distancing measures.
I appear to collected so many masks the last few weeks I can now colour code them to my wardrobe Grin

It's the fashion accessory if 2020!

itsgettingweird · 16/08/2020 09:27

@TheClaws

In Australia, we are just about to come out of the winter season. Colds and flu have been almost non-existent due to SD, a high take-up of the flu jab, masks, lockdowns, people working from home, kids not at school as much, etc. Flu deaths have been zero.
That's really positive. THANKYOU for posting.

Perhaps an ignorant question - is Australia's winter as cold and damp as we have in UK and Europe?

Just wondering because environment has been mentioned as a factor in spread.

itsgettingweird · 16/08/2020 09:28

@Gladiffer

I can't see how it will be. We will likely still have SD etc in place...

Except in schools, where it will be non-existent 😬

Yeah but it's only possibly present on school buses and public transport on the way there and home.

Or the shop you visit on the way there and home.

It doesn't toe strays school walls so it'll be fine WinkGrin

itsgettingweird · 16/08/2020 09:29

Penetrate obviously.

Not sure she's my phone wants to say Hmm

alreadytaken · 16/08/2020 09:36

Social distancing, masks, more flu vaccination will all reduce the pressure on the NHS. Unfortunately children back at school and more indoor activity will increase it. At the moment there are large parts of the population who havent had the virus so it still has the potential to go out of control very rapidly. So everyone has to play their part to keep it under control. It would help if children wore masks to school.

I'm resigned to not seeing my child at Christmas this year and not visiting relatives. Planning to see them after school holidays and take early Christmas presents or have gifts delivered.

I'm building up a small stock of things that disappeared from the shelves here now that there are no shortages. I'll buy some Christmas items as soon as possible.

TheClaws · 16/08/2020 11:30
  • That's really positive. THANKYOU for posting.

Perhaps an ignorant question - is Australia's winter as cold and damp as we have in UK and Europe?

Just wondering because environment has been mentioned as a factor in spread.*

No, it's probably somewhat more temperate. However, we do suffer rotten flu seasons most autumn/winters and then export them to Europe, it seems. Not this year!

sashagabadon · 16/08/2020 13:34

@TheClaws

* That's really positive. THANKYOU for posting.

Perhaps an ignorant question - is Australia's winter as cold and damp as we have in UK and Europe?

Just wondering because environment has been mentioned as a factor in spread.*

No, it's probably somewhat more temperate. However, we do suffer rotten flu seasons most autumn/winters and then export them to Europe, it seems. Not this year!

That's so interesting and postive! So if we in the northern hemisphere catch it from you in the South, and you guys have v low flu this year then it would naturafollow that we will too? I hope so anyway! I too am postive about winter and don't see how we coyld have a second wave. To compare Feb/ march to august/september is like comparing chalk and cheese to what we know/ systems in place plus the albeit small level of herd immunity we have now compared to zero in Feb.
Trackandtrace · 16/08/2020 13:51

We have kept on top of our preps for food so have food to last a short while. For Christmas we have already bought some gifts for children so if things become really bad I know they will at least hove something to open on Christmas day.

Im hoping things wont get too bad but Im also realistic and know that a increase in numbers is likely and that it could be far worse than march/april

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