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Builders in communal areas of block of flats making it hard for people living there to to social-distance

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rachel993 · 14/08/2020 18:55

I'm feeling concerned for myself, and for my neighbours in the block where I live. And have wondered how people are managing in other, often much bigger, more crowded blocks.

To explain: I'm a council tenant living in a second floor flat, small block. There are leaseholders here too. I got back earlier to find 3 builders who are doing work in one of the leaseholder's flats on my floor, in the middle of an animated conversation just a few few feet from my front door (and another family's, not the one having building work). It's on an indoor landing, pretty airless, not huge. The builders have been storing and preparing materials etc. in the hallway all this week, so have been spending loads of time out there. Plus popping outdoors to their van, or for a smoke, lots too, so one or two are frequently going up and down the only, narrow, staircase. They're not socially distancing, not wearing face coverings.

I'm moderate risk for this virus, am still socially distancing, still mostly at home, only met a couple of friends, outdoors at a distance.
These builders are working in an enclosed indoors communal space, sometimes chatting together quite loudly, for chunks of time each day, no face coverings. The closest one was just a metre or so from my door by the time I got to the top of the stairs today. There was little room for them to move back, he did a bit. I'd seen 2 of them go into the block chatting together, as I came along the street and so would have waited longer in the street before going in, but was desperate to use the toilet, and they may have still been in a communal area later on anyway.
I'd been concerned this might happen before I left, but had to go out. (I didn't leave the flat during the daytime on the other days this week for my usual walk because they were there, worried this might happen)
Anyway, now I'm worried on the offchance I could have picked up the virus if one of them happens to have it - hopefully not. I had to walk up the stairs about a minute after them, was at my front door for less than a minute - unlocking it. Just before that, I asked quickly from a longer distance (I was still on the staircase) how much longer they'll be working on the flat for (next week at least).

The neighbour who's having the work done has been away since just before it began so I can't speak to them about it ...

I'm feeling a bit stressed about it now. I'm worried about the same thing happening again next week; the neighbour who's having the work done has been away since the day before the building work began, so I haven't been able to speak to them; I'm unsure if I have the right to ask them myself to move or work differently? (If I do, I'd probably find it hard to be assertive enough to do that, to be honest) and, right now, am feeling annoyed/frustrated about the whole thing. Surely they could at least store the materials inside the flat and work on them there?

I'm wondering if the flat owner considered any of this or the rest of us when they organised this (they didn't let me know the work would be happening). Aren't the builders their responsibility while they're working here? (genuine question.)

And I'm feeling annoyed/frustrated that those of us who want, or need, to socially distance fully, aren't being given the option, just as in loads of other situations right now (at least one neighbour here in the other flats is in the shielding group; I feel particularly concerned for them as their partner needs to leave their flat during the daytime, when these builders have been/will be around on some days too).

I'm guessing some of you won't relate but perhaps some of you can

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HeIenaDove · 14/08/2020 19:54

Oh yes. Currently going through the roof refurb from hell, Will be entering Week 10 on Monday. Dust crap and nails everywhere, a visit from the fire brigade last month to another tenant. Noises that sound like a jumbo jet in the ceiling, banging drilling, dragging the job out because they fuck off early (which they did the day before the fire brigade came out) and its now a struggle to open the bathroom sheeting because plastic sheeting has dropped down in the way. Pandemic? What pandemic??!! Hmm

HeIenaDove · 14/08/2020 19:55
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solidaritea · 14/08/2020 20:24

Chances of them having the virus are minute, even if you're in one of the areas with increased restrictions. Restrictions are being lifted because so few people currently have Covid.

rachel993 · 14/08/2020 23:22

@HeIenaDove I'm so sorry you've been going through all that, and for all that time too, sounds v stressful for you. I hope they finally finish the roof v soon.
And you're so right when you say, What pandemic? - it does feel like that when some people are behaving as though it isn't happening at all. Fair enough for them if they're not worried for themselves or are happy to take the risk or believe the virus isn't serious, but it's not fair to then be unnecessarily taking away other people's right to protect themselves.

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rachel993 · 14/08/2020 23:30

@solidaritea
Thanks. Yes, you're right, the chances of catching it are v small.

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newwnamme · 14/08/2020 23:40

Presumably these builders are fit and well, as you dont mention observing any symptoms. The risk of their being asymptomatic is currently extremely small. What would be your suggestion? I presume you recognise that for many people whose earning a living relies upon occupying space where others might be, life has to and was always going to start going on again as soon as it was permitted? How are you funding staying at home?

Unless I have misunderstood, you have shared a stairwell type space with these builders for approx. 2 minutes whilst accessing your flat. Were you wearing a mask? I imagine you washed your hands upon entry, or at least had the chance to. With respect, it sounds like you are worrying a great deal over an extremely minor risk. I dont think the builders were doing anything wrong.

rachel993 · 15/08/2020 00:31

@newwnamme
I wasn't suggesting the builders shouldn't be working. It's about how things are done. We had workers here weeks ago, also doing work in a communal area, but taking the sort of precautions most places have been asked to (keeping windows and doors to the outside open to maximize ventilation, sorting and cutting materials outdoors, going outside to make mobile calls, etc.). Plus, like I said, there's a whole flat with several rooms, to maybe sort materials and certainly to have their chats in.
And I'm genuinely not sure if the way things are done is the builders' responsibility or choice or if it's the flat's owner's.- maybe both.

Also, yes, I was worrying, less so now, but that's allowed. I'm also concerned for my neighbours. The chances of catching this virus are small at the moment, certainly small like that, but it is possible. I was around them for a just a couple of minutes but they were very close by, talking loudly which increases the chance of transmitting a virus like this. I have no idea if they are well and symptom free as you say plus anyone can be asymptomatic.

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solidaritea · 15/08/2020 00:47

I think there has been a slow but definite change in attitudes among people who are in work and back to a reasonably normal life. So you're probably seeing this change quite abruptly if you're still distancing quite significantly.

I think if you're feeling brave, you could try saying to them "I'm vulnerable and the people in flat x are shielding. Sorry to be a pain but can we ask that you try to X (pick one thing that would make you feel more comfortable eg. work in the flat, not the corridor, where possible)." It might make them more aware and they might be more careful in other ways too. Honestly, they're probably just not thinking about it.

rachel993 · 15/08/2020 01:23

@solidaritea
Thank you for what you've said, it's very helpful.
It's true, the change you described does feel abrupt when you've been hidden away from it, and a bit confusing in a way, to begin with. I think you may well be right about them just not thinking about this virus and the distancing in the way some of us still are.
If I feel able to, I'll try what you suggested and see how they respond. Thanks again.

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newwnamme · 15/08/2020 09:18

It sounds a little bit like you are also a bit fed up with the impact of the neighbour's building work on the quiet enjoyment of your home? Especially if you are there all the time. It's not unreasonable to be irritated by this extra noise, but it's a stretch to claim a greater covid risk from someone making a phone call?

If you would feel more comfortable with open windows, I don't know why you wouldn't just open them? It's been about a million degrees almost everywhere this week. I'm sure no-one would have objected.

If a person you were in contact with for a comparable period of 2 minutes, e.g. a transaction in a shop, tested positive and gave your details to track and trace, you wouldn't be contacted and told to isolate. There is not considered to be sufficient risk before 15 minutes spent together in non-close contact. This is what I meant when I said the risk was extremely minimal.

If there is something specific the builders could do differently to make you feel better, it would be a good idea to ask them to do it. Like the pp said, extreme social distancing just isn't at the forefront of everyone's minds anymore.

msbevvy · 15/08/2020 18:01

They shouldn't be storing anything in the common parts, it is against fire regulations. Councils and HAs are very strict about that sort of thing since Grenfell.

eurochick · 15/08/2020 18:08

Who owns the common areas? Raise it with them.

HeIenaDove · 24/08/2020 19:13

@rachel993 i hope this has been resolved for you now. Week Eleven here.

There has been another leak here at my opposite neighbours.

they seem to be using the part of the roof above our bedroom as a walkway For the last four weeks as well as the drilling banging and grinding we have had stomp stomp stomp stomp as they walk across the room above the bedroom and then the sound of them throwing stuff /tiles over the side. Sick of this dragging on. I KNEW it would be like this. Last week one of them was pissing about up there having a laugh and i heard him fall over just above the bedroom ceiling. Last month a neighbour had the fire brigade out due to a leak in his kitchen through the light caused by these works. Why arent they walking on the scaffolding instead of stomping across above the bedroom for weeks on end. They have had all this time. And its STILL not done. And now my opposite neighbour has had a leak in her sons room. Today was the second time i had to tell them to turn the radio down Yet again it was blaring away outside my bedroom at 8am Sick of it Noise and disruption has been going on since the 8th June!!

Just been outside to look at the roof and there is a hole in the wooden slats probably because of all the stomping. And here comes Storm Francis.

ScorpioSphinxInACalicoDress · 25/08/2020 08:55

There are builders in the next door flat to me, and last month we had our bathroom done. Everyone still wears masks in our communal area anyway, and tbh, SD never crossed my mind. People are in and out all day- it's a block of flats!

The noise and disruption caused by building work is a nightmare, true (the ones next door started at 6.30 this morning)

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