Hospital admissions

[Candle02]

Hospital admissions are falling for COVID www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53772459. so those that are testing positive must have a mild to moderate infection. Surely then the curve for serious illness/death is not following the uptick in cases I am in a locked-down area where it appears very few are following 'the rules'. Surely the time to start locking down is when we start to see serious cases? Help me understand as a have a daughter who is locked down in a rehabilitation unit following serious injury and I need to see her but cant. it's killing me.

How old is your dd? They can’t keep you separated from a child.

Therefore I present no more of a risk to the patients then them. That's my whole point really.

It doesn't work like this. They are a roughly set number of people. Visitors can have come from anywhere and widen the pool. Look at the statistics, they are not heartening at the moment. The media isn't reporting very well because schools and economy but everywhere is on the rise. The care homes disaster is fresh in everyone's mind quite rightly.

Threads like this will lead to aggressive family members turning up and raising hell at an overworked medical facility. That will serve no one. Doctors and nurses are there to treat patients, not deal with someone who has worked themselves up into an aggravated state of victimhood. This virus is awful and everyone is suffering. Every measure being taken is with the intention of avoiding further suffering. Suggesting otherwise is really short-sighted and does the OP no favours. The OP is not in a good place to make decisions about who should be visiting.

@wakemeuuup'

I don't think all people are deliberately flaunting lockdown rules, for those that do I think a kind of COVID fatigue has set it. I do not agree it is entirely the man on the streets 'fault'. for not 'following the rules' I think a lot of people are beffudled at what the 'rules' are.The Government's at best early sluggish response is responsible for where we are at now. See the Cummings carry on for starters and Boris blithely shaking hands and arrogantly writing this of as 'no concern' That approach was entirely their responsibility. I think also you will find that someone on here mentioned that an increase in cases in a locked down area has not correlated to increased fatalities. Some critical thinking please.

I really feel for you, it’s awful. But sadly as we saw with the exponential growth back in March locking down once things have already gone to shit is too late. There’s a lot of justifiable criticism of the government response but I think in the case of local lockdowns they are probably now doing the right thing. for you and I hope it’s lifted and you get to see her soon xxxx

@jihery
my daughter is 21, a young adult. Nowhere have I stated or encouraged threads like this will lead to aggressive family members turning up and raising hell at an overworked medical facility. Your lack of empathy is astounding my child nearly died more than once and you talk of 'someone who has worked themselves up into an aggravated state of victimhood.' I am assuming that is me? I can only assume that you are not a mother and I don't have to assume you are a horrible person because it's writ large, you are really nasty.

@RaspberryRuff

Thank you for your kind thoughts, it's really appreciated when I am so upset.

Oh, I'm a mother. And I feel for you although I can see you don't want sympathy from someone who thinks the government is making a wise decision. This is a widely read public forum. In the same way that it's not just you visiting (everyone wants to visit their adult children), it's not just you reading. Mumsnet is an echo chamber that breeds indignation and yes, this thread is potentially doing overworked hospital staff no favours.

For what it's worth, my child is not unlikely to see the inside of a hospital ward this winter and I support every decision that will promote their safety. I'm not impressed with anyone 'voting with their feet' and ignoring government policy.

@Jihhery

You have said your piece now Just go away. you are horrible and lacking in empathy and a Tory too.

I'm not a Tory, not even vaguely. I'd support any government who were cautious and challenge anyone who stirred up discontent against policies that are desperately needed to prevent a second tragedy in this country. Asking for sympathy and asking others to join you in undermining and criticising important policies that need public support to protect the vulnerable are two very different things. We're on a knife edge at the moment or I would not have pushed the point. I do understand you calling people names at such a time and I wish you well.

this thread is potentially doing overworked hospital staff no favours.

Over worked? Really? What hospitals are you referring to? Not the half empty ones all over the uk.

Candle02 my heart goes out to you. The way this is being managed is criminal and inhuman. I would be going insane in your position.

The only suggestion i have is to dress up as a hospital cleaner and enter this way. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

@Bearseloverofthighs

Exactly my friend waited months for an urgent appointment and when she went to the clinic, there were 2 people there. same at the GP you can't get to see them. It's utter madness.

I am going insane and trying to keep it together but it's so very tough,. I don't think I need to dress up as a cleaner I will do the way I look now! I am barely able to put clean clothes on. There is nothing I can do just try to hold on, thank you for your nice words, It means a lot when I can barely stop from crying all the time. I am utterly exhausted.

Try to keep it together OP. Hopefully some common sense will prevail in the not too distant future.

@Jihhery

I think you have swallowed too large a dose of Government propaganda. Open your eyes and stop swallowing all the b/s from the Government, SAGE, and the media.

As for overworked hospital staff...... The difference post Covid is that more people are avoiding hospitals if they possibly can because they are skeptical whether the NHS really has any handle on infection control. Don’t forget that many of the deaths in hospitals and care homes in April/May were hospital acquired infections. Had those people not been unfortunate enough to be in hospital at that time then they and the people they subsequently infected when they were kicked out into care homes might still be alive.

So the NHS now chooses to be like the Government and uses ‘blunt Instruments’ like the blanket ban on visitors that is impacting the OP. A little common sense and empathy would not go amiss but is seriously lacking in the NHS at a ‘corporate’ level.

There were 40 new cases admitted to hospital in the whole of England reported on the 13th August

www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/08/Covid-Publication-13-08-2020.xlsx

That sounds awful. I couldn't imagine not being allowed to see my child.
If she is an adult could you meet her outside of hospital? Excuse my ignorance if she cannot leave

I feel for you @Candle02

My dp couldn't see his dd for 3 months and it was awful, she's in an adult care facility. Luckily we aren't in a local lockdown zone and they have taken a relatively pragmatic approach to visiting, its privately run (state funding follows the individual) so not nhs which might make a big difference. It's still awkward now, not allowed to have her home for a weekend or even a day trip in the car but thankfully can sit and play with her in ppe. Hope you can negotiate contact, we managed to before the government permitted it on compassionate grounds

[quote Candle02]@jihery
Sorry, I don't agree.
I am that vulnerable person at risk, and knowing this I still want to see my child. The restrictions in my view are draconian and unnecessary when I see hospital admissions rise dramatically I am agreeing the brakes need to be slammed on. The price we are paying for a rise in cases is too high when the hospital wards are empty. This government under reacted and now is overreacting and people like me are paying a very high price, not to mention my poor daughter who has not seen her family since March,.[/quote]
One explanation for low hospital admissions is that the people being infected now are generally much younger and therefore not requiring hospitalisation. Obviously people in rehab centres are going to be amongst the high risk group. They can't risk patients getting infected by allowing visitors. Are they not able to arrange socially distanced visits outdoors or something?

My elderly father with a serious heart condition was in hospital a few weeks ago and my mum was able to see him in a well ventilated room away from the ward. Social distancing and all other hygiene measures were in place. Could you ask about this kind of arrangement? So sorry to hear about your situation and hope you find a solution soon.