Can anyone clarify this for me ? re symptoms/testing and self isolating ?

[frumpety]

So if your child develops cold symptoms including a cough, you should not send them to school , you should as a family self isolate until the child has been tested or do you all need to get a test even if you do not have symptoms ? if the test comes back negative for the child but they still have a cold, do you all still need to stay at home for 14 days or just until the cough stops ? Just remembering a couple of years where the post viral cough went on and on and on !

Will schools accept a child with a post viral cough and a negative result?

All a bit murky isn’t it, I know some schools have told parents no return for 14 days regardless of a negative test. Our schools haven’t released any guidance so far whatsoever.

i believe officially after a negative test child should be able to return though this does not apply to someone who's been in contact with a positive tested child (as the virus take a while to incubate).
I know some schools are saying you have to stay off anyway which is bonkers and they'll end up having more than half the kids off at any one time and will cause absolute havoc for parents.

@makingmiracles I guess its because the test could be a false negative ? But if a child has a cough for more than 14 days, it won't be classed as a new cough and so the child could return to school ?

@Frazzled2207 so if my child is in a class with another child who tests positive then we all have to self isolate for 14 days ?

If your child is in contact with someone who tests positive then your child needs to self isolate for 14 days. The rest of you can still go out until/unless someone in your household develops symptoms or tests positive.

Oh my gosh September is going to be such chaos! Especially as teachers are often married to other teachers 🙈 We are a teaching couple, one primary one secondary, and a child in nursery. Let alone teaching families with multiple kids in different years good god it’s going to be complicated.

@frumpety
not necessarily
Schools will have different interpretations of these but it's children deemed to have been in close contact with the infected child that has to self isolate for 14 days not the whole bubble. But how this works especially for young children where they are clearly all over the place is unclear.

If your child is in contact with someone who tests positive then your child needs to self isolate for 14 days. The rest of you can still go out until/unless someone in your household develops symptoms or tests positive

Self isolation means separate bedroom and bathroom if possible otherwise thoroughly cleaned after each use. No contact with any family member.

If this isn’t possible, which won’t be for many children then you all have to isolate.

Please don’t spread misinformation

Self isolation means separate bedroom and bathroom if possible otherwise thoroughly cleaned after each use. No contact with any family member.

How would that work with a primary aged child ?

That’s the point. It wouldn’t. So you all need to isolated.

I understand it as:

Person A has symptoms.

Person A idols ages and gets tested.

Family members who share a household must also start isolation process.

Person A gets negative results. All come out of isolation. Isolation is to stop spread of positive or may have it due to contact with a positive case.

Person A gets positive results they isolate for 10 days from day 1 of symptoms and rest of family for 14 days. Others test if they develop symptoms.

Test and trace contacts those outside of the family who also need to isolate.

That makes sense @itsgettingweird.
So if your child is in a class with 20-30 other children ( thinking of primary age where they stay in one class ) and one of those tests positive, do you just need to start the isolation process until you get tested or do you not need to do anything unless you develop symptoms and then start the process ?

@frumpety

That makes sense *@itsgettingweird*. So if your child is in a class with 20-30 other children ( thinking of primary age where they stay in one class ) and one of those tests positive, do you just need to start the isolation process until you get tested or do you not need to do anything unless you develop symptoms and then start the process ?

If a child in school has symptoms then that child goes for a test and their family isolates until the result.

With regards the bubble isolating that is something public health and la sort once a test is confirmed positive.

Self isolation means separate bedroom and bathroom if possible otherwise thoroughly cleaned after each use. No contact with any family member.

If this isn’t possible, which won’t be for many children then you all have to isolate.

Please don’t spread misinformation*

Where does it say this is how it works, that the household of a person isolating, because they have been in contact with someone who has tested positive, also needs to isolate?
That wasn’t my understanding of how it works.

*i am completely incapable of using bold!

It's going to be so tricky we have 5 in our family in different classes. I worked out we are in a bubble of approx 780. That's without my husbands work colleagues.

The problem with a child going to school with a cough is if they also have asymptomatic Covid they will spread it.

So if a child tests positive in the class we should be advised as to what to do by the School in terms of isolation and testing ?

Household isolation.

Of person A is contacted through test and trace they isolate for 14 days.

Family members do not isolate as they are not a contact with a positive case.

Where possible the isolating person should use separate facilities.

Of person A develops symptoms then they must book a test and their family then must isolate for 14 days. If the test comes back negative then the family leaves isolation but person A must remain in isolation for the full 14 days.

Of person A tests positive then they must start 10 days isolation from the date of their symptoms and the families isolation starts for 14 from that date too.

Contacts of people told to isolate do not have to isolate unless that person shows symptoms or tests positive.

@frumpety

So if a child tests positive in the class we should be advised as to what to do by the School in terms of isolation and testing ?

Yes.

If a child tests positive as a single case it's likely a deep clean will happen but if no one else shows symptoms then a bubble won't close.

There is suggestions they will close with 2 positive cases within 14 day period but again - that will depend on suspected contacts from tracing.

If child A went to X place on Saturday am and showed symptoms Monday and no one sleep in school showed symptoms but on day 14 another child showed symptoms (who had been somewhere else in the Saturday) it's very likely that they'll investigate if child could have actually caught it over the weekend where ever they went rather than have passed it between themselves because they actually wouldn't have had DJ tact with second infection for 17 days due to weekend iyswim?

@Kitcat122 but that would mean them staying at home for weeks if they have a post viral cough, unless they get tested to show they are negative, but I suppose they could catch it at any point during those weeks that they are coughing after they have been tested ?

The whole idea of isolating cases and those in most contact is to slow transmission. And in best case senario stop it down that contact route.

It's more likely someone in a household will be infected by a confirmed case than anywhere else. (Schools will be interesting to monitor)

This is because international in households are more optimum for transmission to spread - also taking into account you may have passed it on up to 48 hours before you yourself shows symptoms.

The reason we have the masks and distancing and constant cleaning of surfaces etc out of households is to limit transmission.

Ds and I don't SD at home, we don't wear masks and I don't wipe every surface I touch and I don't wash my hands frequently unless I do something I'd wash my hands for anyway.

If I was positive then I'd put these measures in at home.

So basically if they have symptoms - self isolate until tested and then do whatever is required by school following the results. Might be stay at home for 14 days even if negative or they might be allowed back if negative ?

Yes - anyone with a negative test is allowed to carry on as normal.