Concerned coronavirus is riskier in Children than people think ??

[nonameme]

Firstly, I'm not trying to 'scaremonger' or otherwise influence anything. Governments will do what they do regardless. I am aware of Children delaying education, and concern for school as Childcare for jobs and the economy.

I've been trying to find studies on coronavirus and Children.

I found this European study -

www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(20)30177-2/fulltext

582 cases, 4 tragic deaths.

0.69% fatality rate.

That's a whole fucking lot higher rate than flu in Children.

Please, Please don't think I'm trying to scaremonger, I would be happy to see proof to the contrary, I'm trying to think that this study was at a time where testing capacity in some of the countries studied out with hospitals was low, that there are some asymptomatic cases, that we will know more.

If we allow COVID to rip through our schools though ?? Which it absolutely WILL without a lot of measures in place. The nonsense about Kids not spreading has been well debunked.

I'm honestly not trying to scaremonger but that rate scared me..

Does anyone else feel the same ??

@nonameme

Fortunately @PatriciaHolm has kindly added more accurate statistics since the one suggested of '0.32% fatality rate in the 10 - 19 age group' is TOTALLY wrong.

Even with the more accurate statistics they will not know the number of children that caught the virus were asymptomatic and not tested.... again showing that the risk to children is very, very small as Prof Whitty said before.

@everythingthelighttouches

Wow just read the twitter feed.... he is great and the stats confirm that the risk to children is very small- Their risks of becoming infected and severely unwell are incredibly low

For teachers he uses up to date figures from Sweden Of course there are teachers in school too - however data from Sweden Flag of Sweden where schools have stayed open, shows that Teachers have not been any more likely to get infected than other professions (taxi drivers 5x risk) .... better not become a taxi driver though!

Lots of more positive news from him. Brilliant it's lovely to see things are getting better

@BluebellsGreenbells

FatCatThinCat

How many teachers have been affected and/or died?

A few hundred teachers have died, according to unions

@BluebellsGreenbells I know 4 who have died. And many more who have long term effects from COVID. I also know a 16 year old now needing a lung transplant from COVID. This was all from March as we shut down. September is going to be carnage. But I'm sure it will be the teachers fault for not trying to make it all work. I really hope I'm wrong, but doubt it.

@PatriciaHolm

coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/cases?areaType=nation&areaName=England

Cases in the 10-19 age group = 6,831.

I am sorry, but that number is plain ridiculous. In early march a quarter of the children in my school were ill. There was no testing available. Most have still never been tested. As I said earlier up the thread, in my tutor group alone, 2 children have been left with lungs scarred so badly they cannot get upstairs and need to use the lift. The elder sister of one has been left with almost no hearing.

The vast majority of infections were never diagnosed, including those in intensive care, those who died and those who have been left disabled.

If less than 7000 10-19 years olds have had covid in the whole of the UK, they were ALL in my education authority, and not only that, but there was some other horrendous plague going round as well,

Haven't Swedish schools used social distancing, and their class sizes are much smaller than ours on average?

We were not even the worst hit school locally. A neighbouring school had to close 10 days before lockdown, because so many staff and students were ill. Many still are

@mosquitofeast I agree. I had 5 of my tutor group off with coughing and fever in March and one still has no hearing in left ear. We had so many staff & other students off too and the majority had a connection to those same students. Coincidence ? We will never know as only the ones who sadly ended up in hospital ever got tested. So a hundred or so kids were just ill.

@mosquitofeast

We were not even the worst hit school locally. A neighbouring school had to close 10 days before lockdown, because so many staff and students were ill. Many still are

I dont think anybody is saying that only 6000 and odd kids have had it. That is how many confirmed cases there has been

As the thread has repeated said, the number of confirmed cases is clearly much much lower than actual cases. No-one is disputing that. In fact that was much of the thrust of the entire thread.

Although you do seem to have been somewhere where it was very prevalent. My LEA experienced nothing like that.

@mosquitofeast I would rather take the ONS figures regarding the number of teachers that have died rather than speculation from unions. Unfortunately as far as I am aware these are not freely available but a few hundred is not very helpful to state without the actual figures to back it up.

OP, with regards to the number of children affected prior to wide spread testing we do not know. Coughs and colds, as well as a bad flu was also circulating at the time. It is easy to attribute lots of illness back in February/ March time to coronavirus but not all those illnesses then will have been it. Unfortunately the antibody test isn’t fully accurate so we actually have no idea of how wide spread the infection has been. However I would be taking my information from those who work in the field rather than politicians or those using anecdotal evidence rather than actual data.

[quote Mjstjs]@mosquitofeast I would rather take the ONS figures regarding the number of teachers that have died rather than speculation from unions. Unfortunately as far as I am aware these are not freely available but a few hundred is not very helpful to state without the actual figures to back it up.

OP, with regards to the number of children affected prior to wide spread testing we do not know. Coughs and colds, as well as a bad flu was also circulating at the time. It is easy to attribute lots of illness back in February/ March time to coronavirus but not all those illnesses then will have been it. Unfortunately the antibody test isn’t fully accurate so we actually have no idea of how wide spread the infection has been. However I would be taking my information from those who work in the field rather than politicians or those using anecdotal evidence rather than actual data.[/quote]
It is not "speculation"- that is the number of union members that the teaching unions are aware of having dies, and the number is in the low hundreds. I can't remember it exactly

My sons primary school closed over a week before schools officially closed too due to staff and child illness. One of my little boys was off with a cough and fever. No staff or children were hospitalised, who knows if it was covid or not.

FatCatThinCat

How many teachers have been affected and/or died?

I've only heard of 1 teacher dying. FHM (the government) say that 160 teachers have tested positive and the relative risk for primary school teachers is only 1.1 times higher than for other occupational groups.

Saying that, my DD is a teacher and in the high risk group and I worry sick about her. DS is at primary school but he's tough as old boots.

@mosquitofeast It is speculation to state these are the union members that have died and attributing it to Covid alone though. They do not know what was recorded on the death certificate- we are already having issues surrounding how deaths are being recorded in addition to this. I take my figures from official sources not unions who are speculating based on member deaths. Also a big difference between saying around 200 to a few hundred this could imply over 300 to 400 deaths if not more. Few is a very lose term. Also doesn’t seem to be a widely publicised figure by the unions- I would be interested to know where exactly it was said.

Well I know 4 definite deaths. 2 very good friends. All tested positive in hospitals and died of pneumonia complications due to Covid. And I know of well over 160 teachers who have tested positive - we have been doing lots of on line training and webinars and as teachers we share information. Nationwide and even international participants. So if I know that many how come figures are so small ? V strange.

Oh and not every teacher is in a union. Or would tell their union.

In my department of 10 staff, 1 was hospitalised, 1 was seriously ill at home, on oxygen, and has still not recovered, 5 others were ill to varying degrees with breathing difficulties, cough, loss of sense of smell, 1 was not ill, but has since had a positive antibody test. No one was tested for active coronavirus at any time

Well I know 4 definite deaths. 2 very good friends. All tested positive in hospitals and died of pneumonia complications due to Covid. And I know of well over 160 teachers who have tested positive - we have been doing lots of on line training and webinars and as teachers we share information. Nationwide and even international participants. So if I know that many how come figures are so small ? V strange.

Are you in the UK? I was reply to a question to me from another poster about teachers in my country not the UK.

Your initial assumptions are wrong unfortunately - 582 cases, 4 tragic deaths. 0.69% fatality rate. You don't know here how many children have had Covid. It could be 10,000 or 100,000.... All you know is 582 have been tested, you need the rate of infection in this group then you can calculate the fatality rate. What you know here is that "of 582 children tested for Covid, 0.69% died" In many case people are tested on admission to hospital when they are already very ill.

There are now confirmed studies that set the rate at 0.01% death rate which is lower than the death rate for flu in this age group.

Anything from March is going to be a bit ropey data wise. I’m sure my baby had Corona. We were in A&E with her due to respiratory issues, rash and a fever of 40. It took over 8 hours before someone from 111 called us back and then told us to go to A&E because ooh wouldn’t see her as a potential Covid risk. Because she was stable and not life threatening she was allowed home. No test. Any child being admitted in March in the UK would have been very poorly indeed if that experience was anything to go by.

@mosquitofeast Im not sure what you mean by that reply if it was directed to me.

@FatCatThinCat yes I'm in UK. Sorry if you were referring to another country. Although I have been speaking to teachers in many countries and they all have similar experiences. It's been horrible. And is set to be so again in a few weeks. Makes me so sad that we are going to have a lot of poorly kids.

mobile.twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1284160744913764352

According to this, using PHE antibody screening, around 624,000 0-19 year olds have had Covid in England

@Jrobhatch29

mobile.twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1284160744913764352

According to this, using PHE antibody screening, around 624,000 0-19 year olds have had Covid in England

This would match spanish antibody study pretty closely with an overall IFR of 0.003% (lower for 0-9) and ICU admission at around 0.02%