Amount of people wearing masks

[Yetiyoga]

I have seen a lot of people not wearing masks in shops here, I would never say anything as there may well be a reason. But on the scenes you see abroad where masks are mandatory everywhere, including outdoors, it seems that everyone just wears one there but lots of people in the UK seem to make excuses. I get being exempt, but are we just less tolerable?

I went to a Costa today in a park. The sign said to wear a mask when entering the shop. I was the only one who bothered! I sat outside for an hour and didn't see anybody wearing a mask to enter.

Yesterday in a shop a man removed his mask and kept sneezing, but he wasn't covering the sneezes at all or even trying. Maybe it was hayfever, maybe a cold, but it made a farce of it all that he just sneezed frequently into the air, mask round chin.

High compliance here,I'd say 90%. People do sometimes have their noses hanging over the top though, which gives me the rage ever so slightly!!

Had my first experience yesterday of a shop with somebody on the door saying "no mask, no entry." Which was interesting.

I'm in Wales near the border and I'd say in most of our shops, people are wearing masks. But not me I'm afraid!

In England, everyone has been wearing them IN the shops. It's about 50/50 when wandering around outside. I wear them inside, but take it off the second I get outside.

See people in supermarkets, buses, trains and clothes shops wearing them on their chin...nose and mouth exposed.

Noone in takeaway food shop had it on except me.

Corner shop lots of people coming in without.

On some trains groups of young people not wearing them...

All shops I've been to everyone has been wearing masks. Usually we are greeted at the door by someone explaining their system and asking us to sanitise our hands. Everyone seems happy to comply.

Getting tired of every halfwit declaring that the Equalities Act prevents shops from requiring everyone to wear a mask.

It doesn’t.

The EA requires reasonable adjustments. Exposing staff and customers to additional risk from non-mask wearing customers is not a reasonable adjustment.

The case law on balancing interests in these types of instances is quite clear that there can be sound bases not to cater for disabilities. Where doing so would expose other people to risk is one of them (which is also coincidentally while the EA doesn’t oblige you to allow those with covid symptoms into your shop, even though that’s also prima facie discriminatory!)

Its funny watching all the Im alright Jacks who have spent the past ten years voting for individualism now deciding they dont want what they have spent the last decade voting for now there is a pandemic on.

@Balhammom your views dont match up.

Individualism is great. However - and you may have missed this - there were always one or two little caveats, like the fact that the law prohibits murder, assault (and not wearing a mask to the shops....)

If you think these things then why do you think people should wear masks for the good of society. Why should someone who doesn't want to, wear a mask so your child can go back to school? Why should they give a fuck about your kid? I think they should because we should all work together within society. You don't.
You views don't match up.

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There are people who are exempt @Balhammom Its in the Gov guidelines The ones you are trying to rewrite

In my area it's about 95% compliance, of what I see when I go shopping, but both DD's work in retail and say it's lower. One of them is allowed to ask if they have a mask to put in and can offer a disposable if they have forgotten but the other one isn't allowed to ask at all.

The one thing is has done is I've not popped up the shop for any chocolate as I can't be bothered with the faff 😀

I live in the South of England and currently am on holiday in the South West and have yet to see any adult maskless in a shop or supermarket. Have seen a few young teenagers though without them they certainly looked older than 11.

High compliance here most are wearing just odd few that aren't

@ballhammon even if not covered by equalities its covered by the guidelines all allow for exemptions
Why not just be understanding that some can't wear them and that is allowed if they meet the criteria as in most countries I would expect

@Balhammom

Getting tired of every halfwit declaring that the Equalities Act prevents shops from requiring everyone to wear a mask.

It doesn’t.

The EA requires reasonable adjustments. Exposing staff and customers to additional risk from non-mask wearing customers is not a reasonable adjustment.

The case law on balancing interests in these types of instances is quite clear that there can be sound bases not to cater for disabilities. Where doing so would expose other people to risk is one of them (which is also coincidentally while the EA doesn’t oblige you to allow those with covid symptoms into your shop, even though that’s also prima facie discriminatory!)

Indirect discrimination is unlawful unless it's a proportionate means to achieve a legitimate aim.

Preventing the spread of covid is of course a legitimate aim.

Banning disabled people from all shops and public transport if they are unable to wear a cloth face covering is not a proportionate means to achieve it.

Cloth face coverings are a useful extra tool but they're not that good. There is growing evidence that they can help reduce transmission if enough people wear one, that's all.

Masks alone will not save us. We have to do all the other stuff as well. The people who have picked their nose and not washed their hands, or who have been to several parties in the last week, or who have been shagging around, or who have symptoms and have not ordered a test, or who have been told to isolate by test and trace but have gone out anyway ... none of those people are banned from the shop or the bus because you can't see those things.

You can't dump all the responsibility for preventing infection onto the small number of people who cannot wear a mask because this massively disproportionately affects disabled people and the detriment to them is huge.

It would be proportionate for a shop to exclude someone with symptoms because that would be a much greater risk, even if they were wearing a face covering. Also they would only be excluded for 10 days and not indefinitely.

Nobody checks for symptoms though, it's all about the masks.

Providing exemptions for people who cannot wear a face covering is a reasonable adjustment and prevents unlawful indirect discrimination.

barely anyone in my area with them and they glare at you when you wear one

@Doublechins

I've seen less than 5 people not wearing them since it became compulsory. I also know many people who would be classed as exempt yet they still wear them

If they can wear a face covering they would not be classed as exempt.

What area are you in @TulipsandDa1s1es and what shops? Is nothing done or said by members of staff?

@Mothership4two im in the north west and we are on lockdown. ive only been in food shops so sainsburys, tesco and the local co-op. nothing said by staff. in sainsburys yesterday the hand sanitiser by the door was empty and, as i was fiddling with it and wiping down my trolley, people just walked straight past me and into the shop. straight past the door monitor guy counting people in. also our pubs and cafes are still busy with groups of people (6 men sat at a table i would assume is not one household but obviously thats my opinion). its like im the odd one out in my mask

Wow, not like that at all here. They are the odd ones out in the country not you!

I was secretly relieved when masks in shops became compulsory as I had noticed that people were wearing them less and less and I was getting some snotty looks and stares.

Just keep doing what you are doing and keep safe

I was in my local supermarket yesterday and in about the time I spent there I think I saw 4 people not wearing masks. One was my own son (under 11 and really struggling with mask wearing) one was a tiny baby and the last 2 were adults. Everyone else including the kids seem to be wearing them.

Also everyone was still socially distancing as well

From this thread there seems to be a correlation between %age of compliance and areas in local lock down. I doubt lack of masks in shops is pushing numbers up because we had well under 59% wearing masks pre 24th July when numbers were lower. But I'm guessing the people who don't bother to wear masks (not refering to those who can't) are the same people who aren't social distancing inside houses and pubs.

@Lifeispassingby

My local GP surgery has said they will not issue exemption certificates for mask wearing as there is no reason for any one not to wear one. Other reports said no change in oxygen levels whilst wearing one so therefore everyone should be, unless you have a serious condition in which case you wouldn’t be well enough to be shopping anyway. Even if people feel exempt surely it’s in their interests to protect themselves and others and prevent the spread?

Then your local GP surgery has shown themselves to be totally fucking ignorant.

Not all conditions that cause problems with mask wearing are breathing conditions

Maybe you and your local surgery would like to read up about things like autism, PTSD, facial nerve damage, sensory disorders and psychological trauma?