surely the best thing is to restrict people going into other peoples houses......and it vindicates the opening up policy before hugging grannies

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more and more evidence is showing that the majority of community spread is happening when people visit relatives/friends.

When the government started opening up the economy there were cries of "why can I go to the shops but I can't see my mother at home"

I think it beginning to show that was vindicated

People in public tend to socially distance more and/or there are others around to help police it

I will almost guarantee that if people visit friends and family, they won't socially distance and will spend a lot more time together

Hence the nature of the lock down in the north.

Personally I'd rather see them get the kids back to school, keep the economy open and accept I can't visit my mother, friends or the in laws until this is over.

It makes sense the bubble thing , there was talk of it in the media before then on here which amounted to nothing .
Then we were told we can meet no more than 6 people. I would of been fine to not see anyone except 1 other household.
Single people have a bubble but not a couple or a family .

The bubble might be adhered to better if it were 2 households, the single person restriction makes it tough on grandparents.

Yes, I agree with you.

People were so adamant that the govt had no right to tell them they couldn't hug their mum etc. All along it has been stressed that distancing and being outside are key in reducing transmission. But too many people think it won't make a difference if they have a small, huggy, kissy family gathering. And they're right, it probably wouldn't. Problem is millions of others agreed with them and did the same. Which means it has made a difference.

I think it's entirely possible that there would be no need to close anything or prevent anyone seeing anyone if we could all just stay 1.5 - 2m away and wear a mask inside. Is it really worth being banned from doing almost everything again just so you can touch people?

I would accept never getting physically close to anyone ever again (I live alone) if it means the rest of life can continue fairly normally.

I'll be really upset if we end up in a second lockdown because people (many of whom already have others in their household they can interact normally with) couldn't resist not social distancing.

Would be interested in this evidence. Visited my disabled mum recently.

@IDSNeighbour completely agree, why can’t people just stick to the social distancing and then we would be in a better position. Instead everyone justifying hugging parents, kids having play dates and sleepovers without social distancing and then complaining that schools might not be able to re-open.

OP, I haven't seen evidence to support what you say.

I have seen lots of evidence that large social gatherings / crowds (e.g. choirs, camps) or certain crowded working conditions (e.g. meat processing, fabric industry) or conferences / rallies / sporting events can cause outbreaks and drive spread. And more recently that spikes in places like Spain are being driven by bars and nightclubs. A good overview is this institute.global/policy/learning-live-alongside-covid-19?fbclid=IwAR1U4VfGrztZpnXLdcQbJsquYWit7a0drXKVVaRt-O_WrMcxGk8e67-siyo

Excerpt:

a number of key themes emerge. New outbreaks of Covid-19 are often linked to:
Hot-spot environments such as bars and clubs
Large social gatherings
The breaking of social distancing guidelines
The role of young people in spreading the virus
The absence of masks

Fauci recently said 'avoiding crowds' was really important 'particularly if people aren't wearing masks'.

There were a number of studies that showed spread was mainly among household members in locked down countries, as you'd expect. This was sort of the point of lockdown - it spreads within the family but then transmission stops- halting transmission chains in the home.

I think we should bubble with family (or one close friend if no family nearby) to visit inside (and to stay overnight) and see everyone else outside. Yes there would be problems with it but it would work for the majority, and there would be nothing to stop you meeting people outside in a park or a pub garden or house garden (or out for a run/cycle ride/walk etc). Agree with this

Additional evidence:
www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e6.htm
www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/health/coronavirus-children-camp.html
www.bbc.co.uk/news/53137613
www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-coronavirus-deaths-soared-after-18354705
www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/07/08/trump-rally-more-than-likely-led-to-coronavirus-spike-in-tulsa-health-official-says/#2eb4b6dc24e0
www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/03/12/coronavirus-outbreak-biogen-conference-superspreading