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To think the more ridiculous and inconsistent these rules get the less likely people will follow them115
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Today 17:26Frouby
labyrinthloafer
Stop saying 'certain communities' if you want to blame a section of the British population just say clearly who you blame.
I don't blame anyone personally. Obviously the government advisers are targeting certain behaviours. They have to stop. Temporarily. For good reason.
And it is a community of people. I can call a community a certain community. I could call it the Muslim community. Or the Asian community. Or a BAME community. Or the Pakistan community. Or the British Pakistan community. Or various other things.
But when you do that you get people piling in and saying 'oh I'm Muslim and I don't do this'. Or 'my family are from Pakistan and we don't do this'. Or 'my neighbours are Asian and definitely don't do that'.
It's certain communities in certain areas who suffering a rise in cases. So, certain communities.
Today 17:28PiataMaiNei
Whatever particles of logic people may feel they can glean from it, the fact remains that it's perfectly possible to socialise safely on private gardens and, at the same time, some of the other things we are being encouraged to do carry risk. People know this. They identify the innate ridiculousness of the situation, hence the Auntie Pat's conservatory and card reader tweets currently going viral
Today 17:31PiataMaiNei
Posted too soon there... and they simply aren't going to adhere to the rules in that situation. I'm not going to. I'll give up seeing people in houses for now, as the cases are rising. That's reasonable
But I will not observe any rule preventing me from sitting entirely safely on private property, two metres away from anyone else, and I'd have to be very unlucky to be penalised for it. There are going to be a great many like me, because there is a limit to what people are going to tolerate from a government who simply don't have the credibility at this point.
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Today 17:32weightedpunch
YANBU. I'm in one of the areas where we're unable to be inside each others homes, even though the cases in my particular town are falling.
I don't believe for a second they have gathered any reliable evidence to suggest the rise in cases in some areas is due to people not socially distancing indoors. Unless Matt Hancock has been peaking through people's windows I don't see how he could make such a statement on twitter that quite frankly made us Northerners seem thick for not following the rules. They will never admit it but it was 100% down to the Eid celebrations being the following day.
I was due to meet my family on Thursday night socially distanced inside their home, due to circumstances we had to rearrange for Friday, and then 10pm Thursday found out that it would then be illegal. Nothing changed for me during those 24 hours, I didn't come into close contact with anybody else, and I have absolutely no shame in saying we broke the law on Friday by doing the exact same thing we would have been doing legally the night before.
Today 17:33ItsAlwaysSunnyOnMN
I agree they needed from the start to be very clear without all the wishy washy you can do this but not that
But it’s now pointless things changed when Boris Johnson stood by his most senior advisor Who not only ignored the guidelines he had participated in writing up but then fabricated ridiculous stories to cover up his actions
This will come back to haunt them over and over again
Today 17:33PiataMaiNei
I'm not inclined to take their word for it either. Have we seen any evidence of the major source of transmission yet?
Today 17:44Muminho
YABU.
Fed up now with people whining 'why can't I do x when I can do y'. This is a pandemic. It's complicated. We need to prevent the spread going exponential again as it did in March/April without completely giving up on life. That means reacting to each spike (and there will be many) with targeted measures.
Data shows most transmission in hotspots has been in households. Therefore temporary restrictions have been placed on households. Yes of course Eid is a factor and these measures will protect members of the Muslim community at a moment when cases were suddenly growing. That's a good thing.
Pubs, restaurants etc also carry risk but are not driving spread as per the data. They also provide employment. So for now they stay open.
If you want to see your mum in her garden at 2m distance just do so. Nobody is going to be punished for that. Just use your common sense. The problem is large-ish gatherings where social distancing is not observed and people share food, surfaces, toilets and indoor space. Get those under control, reduce the spread and the restrictions will be lifted.
It all requires a little engagement and thought but it's not rocket science.
Today 17:49PiataMaiNei
You are in no place to say that nobody is going to be punished for seeing relatives in gardens. While I too would encourage people to do that, and think the chances of any single individual being fined are low, the fact remains that we're now told it will be illegal. This means none of us are in any place to give assurances that nobody at all will be punished.
Today 17:53ilovesooty
labyrinthloafer
Stop saying 'certain communities' if you want to blame a section of the British population just say clearly who you blame.
Exactly.
Today 17:55EducatingArti
RandomTree
I don't understand? You are allowed sit in your mum's garden 2m apart.
Not in Greater Manchester and other parts of the NW you aren't!
Today 17:58Baaaahhhhh
It still remains the case though, that for everybody, you shouldn't have more than one family in your house, or six people in your garden etc etc. The changes, I am sure, were introduced due to rising infection rates, and local concern that Eid would precipitate non-adherence to what is already in force. You have to screw down more tightly than you expect to be adhered to, in order to, hopefully, have a middle ground.
Today 17:58ScarletMonkey
I've followed the rules, I've not seen friends family in months.
Now this. Though I'm in lockdown cases are falling here, but being lumped in with surroundings areas.
It's pparently too dangerous for me to even sit in the garden with my friends or family, but I'm very welcome to get pissed indoors with a load of random people.
I had little respect for the Gov't, but after Dominuc Cummings was apparently justified with the Barnard Castle trip, they can get fucked frankly. The hypocrisy stinks.
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Today 18:00PiataMaiNei
Baaaahhhhh
It still remains the case though, that for everybody, you shouldn't have more than one family in your house, or six people in your garden etc etc. The changes, I am sure, were introduced due to rising infection rates, and local concern that Eid would precipitate non-adherence to what is already in force. You have to screw down more tightly than you expect to be adhered to, in order to, hopefully, have a middle ground.
This is one possibility. You also need to do it whilst retaining enough credibility that you aren't ignored entirely. It's not an easy middle ground to find and we do not have the luxury of a competent government in charge.
Today 18:17EducatingArti
I live in Greater Manchester. My immediate area does not have a high Muslim population.
I have noticed loads of people not being sensible with the rules. This is mainly:
Groups of teenagers out and about who are not socially distancing at all.
People in shops ( of all ages) not socially distancing and taking the whole family shopping instead of one person going.
Large meet ups in gardens where people are not socially distancing.
People wearing masks under their nose in shops and on public transport ( mainly older people).
Parents chatting in playgrounds without social distancing and not getting their children to socially distance either.