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School advising us to keep our child off in September, anyone else?

48 replies

Ohnoducks · 13/07/2020 13:38

We have had a call from the school to say while government are saying all children should be back in September, for those children who are still on the shielding list at that point, even if it's officially paused, they do not believe it is in their interests to be in the school itself, and will support us to keep our child home (no fines, work packs etc). I'm very relieved to have the option after months of shielding and seeing no one, but it was a bit of a suprise to be honest, has anyone else's shielded child had a similar call?

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FishyDuck · 13/07/2020 17:28

@morew1ne

With respect, I'd be astonished if a single headteacher in the country has the medical and scientific expertise to determine the individual risk faced by individual DC and how their medical situation impacts them.

That decision can only be made by qualified medical professionals.

FishyDuck · 13/07/2020 17:29

@morew1ne

With respect, I'd be astonished if a single headteacher in the country has the medical and scientific expertise to determine the individual risk faced by individual DC and how their medical situation impacts them.

That decision can only be made by qualified medical professionals.

Harleyisme · 13/07/2020 17:31

@FishyDuck theres a fair few headteachers senco teachers etc that do believe they are qualified to make decisions on medical things or make comments. I have had them think they know better than ds pediatrician and incontinence nurse they even argued with the incontinence nurse.

Keepdistance · 13/07/2020 17:39

Airborne transmission inside and other parents sending in ill children or the fact they are a/presymptomactic are all out of the schools' hands though.
What schools could do is
make sure windows are open or that a shielding dc is in a downstairs classroom so door open

  • make sure the class does outside play and learning
  • could close a bubble as soon as temp or cough before waiting for a test (though this isnt what gov say),
  • let all parents know if there is a suspected case in school or class
  • put the child in a classroom with a sink
  • put them in largest classroom
  • could put all siblings in matched classes
  • could allow student to wear a mask
Maybe try to make room for the student to be 2m apart
labyrinthloafer · 13/07/2020 17:40

[quote FishyDuck]@morew1ne

With respect, I'd be astonished if a single headteacher in the country has the medical and scientific expertise to determine the individual risk faced by individual DC and how their medical situation impacts them.

That decision can only be made by qualified medical professionals.[/quote]
Decision should be made by parents

ResumetonormalASAP · 13/07/2020 17:42

Our school academy trust is completely opposite @Ohnoducks

ALL children have to return in September, there will BE NO EXCEPTIONS which is bold in their letter to parents. No holiday leave will be authorised next year. Shielding ends in England at end of July anyway.....

Completely different from your school

ResumetonormalASAP · 13/07/2020 17:46

Also our school is not going to socially distance from sept either or staggered start and end times .... interesting since going from barely any children in to all back in Sept makes me think something is happening in August...!

peasaregood · 13/07/2020 17:47

I think that's disgraceful of the school and will justify the anxiety that some people have about returning to school.

Underhisi · 13/07/2020 17:53

"Surely schools should be putting in measures to keep all children safe not excluding them because of their medical conditions?"

Yes they should but some schools had a history of refusing children because of medical conditions long before lockdown.

beckypv · 13/07/2020 17:54

Can I ask how they knew your child was shielding? Did they get the info from a database? Or had you told them. My son is in the shielding category but we chose to send him back when year 6 returned, and I don’t believe the school knew. I was wondering whether his new high school that he starts in September will see his name on an official list somewhere?

Underhisi · 13/07/2020 17:57

My son's school only knew because I told them.

Sirzy · 13/07/2020 18:00

@Underhisi

"Surely schools should be putting in measures to keep all children safe not excluding them because of their medical conditions?"

Yes they should but some schools had a history of refusing children because of medical conditions long before lockdown.

Exactly and that’s my worry that they will try to use this as a way to push vulnerable pupils even further out of the education system
Orangeblossom78 · 13/07/2020 18:11

I think this is against the guidance from the government, and also puts pressure on the parents to keep them home

Almost as if they don't want to deal with trying to help at school and it's easier for them for your child to stay home...

Gogogadgetarms · 13/07/2020 18:12

We had a letter saying we would be fined for non-attendance unless they are on the shielding list, in which case they can attend or chose to stay at home and get learning materials sent home.

CuppaZa · 13/07/2020 18:15

@Harleyisme thank you

blardiblabla · 13/07/2020 18:19

It's nice for your school to be as suportive as they can be, but they shouldn't really be offering their opinion on how safe it is or isn't for your child to return to school. That is for your medical professional/specialist to give, and for you to consider whether to follow or not. If the school don't feel they can safeguard the more vulnerable children enough, they need to look at what else they can do, rather than put you off sending your DC back.

MoreW1ne · 13/07/2020 18:39

I appreciate people will want (and look to) the guidance and medical expertise of doctors, but how can a doctor realistically assess the risk of your child when they wont know how things will be in the school. Even headteachers are struggling at the moment to know exactly how things are going to work in practice.

So the advice and input from head teachers is equally as important.

I personally do not care for the risk. I'm not at any significant risk and dont really have friends or family left that are. Id drop all the measures in place in schools that will be doing little to reduce risk but a lot to make teachers work harder. But let's consider the possibility of a shielding child returning to school and catching covid. They become very I'll or worse die. Would you not complain to the school for warning you if they felt the risk was there.

And I'm sorry, but those suggesting schools should do more, read the other threads on here regarding school funding and lack of safety in place.

MoreW1ne · 13/07/2020 18:42

Also consider this. Government have paused shielding. It no longer exists, you have no special status. Schools are under no obligation to put in any single measure to make it safer for children who are currently shielding than any other student.

So if my child was shielding I would appreciate my school offering me the option. They dont have to and can just treat all children the same!

Holyrivolli · 13/07/2020 18:47

That’s appalling of the school to overstep in this way and totally inappropriate. As others have said, they are not medical experts and should not be pressuring parents to keep their children at home when doctors are saying it’s ok to return. Sounds lazy and the school trying to abdicate their responsibility to educate

Holyrivolli · 13/07/2020 18:50

It may be fine for them to offer home schooling support in a neutral “if you choose to keep your child at home, we can provide work” but the schools wording is awful and so bullying.

Ohnoducks · 13/07/2020 21:42

@beckypv

Can I ask how they knew your child was shielding? Did they get the info from a database? Or had you told them. My son is in the shielding category but we chose to send him back when year 6 returned, and I don’t believe the school knew. I was wondering whether his new high school that he starts in September will see his name on an official list somewhere?
They know our child well as they have had two heart/lung surgeries since starting there, and they also have a very large scar I'm sure the teacher has noticed from when they had one of their lungs removed (and if not it's written on their medical form with the school), and when our other child was invited back (in a year group which has returned) we emailed to say we wouldn't be sending them in as their sibling was shielding.

I'm grateful to know the option is open to us if it comes to it, while I would much prefer they were in school, we were told they would never survive to be 12 months and now they're nearly 10 years old, able to run, do pe, a bit slower than their classmates and much smaller, but bright as a button and very caring so their life isn't limited by their disability, it's just a life we always have to be cautious with not just right now. However they are on two antibiotics as well as diuretics and various other bits and bobs all of the time as a cold can hospitalise them so we have to fight off any kind of chest complaint before it can develop, we had to have medication to stop the development of chicken pox (couldn't have the vaccine before hand though annoyingly!) as it was too great a risk to them have the full illness, so we are very cautious.

We haven't spoken to any of their consultants since today's call, but we do know that they are remaining on the shielding list even though most children are being removed from it, so our consultant has advised us to act as though we are still shielded as much as possible. See the grandparents in the garden but don't take them to a shop or a cinema or anything like that.

We are not making a decision at this point to return to school or remain out of it, I'd be overjoyed to return to school, however I'm also aware we had a call from the consultant in March over a week before schools shut to advise us to keep them out of school, and there were only 158 cases identified that day compared to over 600 today, so rationally right now we're not in a safer postion for a medically fragile child now than we were then, we just know more than we did then that for the vast majority of children it's not actually that serious. Or that's the logic I'm currently wrestling (and I'm really open to other interpretations) with while my child is counting down the days until they can go back to school with their friends.

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Lockdownseperation · 14/07/2020 07:07

Shielding will be ‘paused’ not ended at the start of August but if you read the letter there are still suggested restrictions in place for people who are shielding and they are only allowed to return to work if they are “covid safe”. I’m really confused by what is covid safe as schools can’t apply the 1m + rule.

I’m following this closely as DH is shielding and because our children are 4 and 1 (lockdown birthdays) we haven’t been able to maintain distance within the house so have had to shield as a family. DH is mostly healthy so I’m still finding it difficult to get my head round.

Sunshinelouise40 · 06/10/2020 15:01

Hi, I just wondered what happened with sending your child back to school. I’d really appreciate your advice as it sounds like your school have been so supportive. I’ve got an extremely vulnerable toddler and a child in primary year 4, they’ve had 2 cases in her bubble from parents so I’ve kept her at home and am homeschooling (with no support from school) but I don’t want to do this long term as she loves school but I’m under immense pressure from school to homeschool permanently but they won’t keep her place. I’d really appreciate hearing how your school have been now they are back full time, many thanks

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