What do you think

[DebLou47]

Does anyone think it was here earlier than said ? Like December in Paris ? Could this have been our second wave
Just interested to hear your opinions

I think it was here earlier but I don’t think this is our second wave, just that the first took a long time to get going.

Yes definitely. Anecdotal, but nonetheless, something with identical symptoms (including loss of smell) went through my work place in early January. Many, many people were off work for around three weeks each. It was brought to the work place by a staff member who had caught it off a guest who had just returned from China in late December. That person's elderly mother caught it and ended up in hospital for a month in January with pneumonia that didn't respond to antibiotics (thankfully she recovered). If that wasn't Covid I'll eat my facemask.

Yes, I think so. My daughter was 4 months at Christmas and a pretty nasty cough, high temp that calpol didn’t touch and conjunctivitis that is said to go along with Covid in children. Two lots of antibiotics did nothing and the cough lingered for months. About two weeks after her showing symptoms my mum got pretty poorly. She’s 70 and has T1 diabetes.

My only issue with this theory is why we didn’t see an increase in deaths at the time. Unless the virus has mutated and this is the second wave?

I can’t see how it was so quick to peak in China and with air travel as it was, how it didn’t spread globally a lot quicker and sooner...

Oh and also have a friend who’s elderly aunt and uncle did a Christmas cruise around Asia. A week into the holiday, after stopping off in HK, they went down with an ‘unknown virus’. Her aunt was in intensive care for several weeks....

i don't believe it was widely spreading outside China before January or later. May have been some individual cases outside China before Jan 2020.

I don't know why ppl are so invested in believing it was widespread back in September or whatever. If it was widespread in 2019 outside China then basically everything else we think we know about the virus is wrong. And yet people are still so emotionally invested in thinking this must be true.

I can't understand why ppl R so emotional about it.

I think there was a very similar virus around at the end of 2019. Our school went down to 53% attendance in December with all the children suffering from high temperatures and dry coughs. The staff also got it.
I therefore believe that the people who believe they had covid earlier actually had this similar virus, which wasn't Covid as we know Covid does not effect children but this virus did.

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel

I think it was here earlier but I don’t think this is our second wave, just that the first took a long time to get going.

This is my thinking too, but I am not a scientist!

Hmm interesting. My son was nearly two in December. He had 4 days where he was lathargic, hot and had a cough. No appetite. It was a weird virus because he didn't normally stop playing with coughs and colds.

@lljkk

i don't believe it was widely spreading outside China before January or later. May have been some individual cases outside China before Jan 2020.

I don't know why ppl are so invested in believing it was widespread back in September or whatever. If it was widespread in 2019 outside China then basically everything else we think we know about the virus is wrong. And yet people are still so emotionally invested in thinking this must be true.

I can't understand why ppl R so emotional about it.

I think for the very natural reason that people want to think they've already had it. And, therefore, immune to it.

So quite unsurprising really.

Influenza B was wide spread. Symptoms - cough, headache, fever, body aches etc

I'm a teacher and didn't notice anything different this winter to any other winter with kids or staff. Norovirus really did wipe us out in december though

Potentially there were a few people who may have had it but not many. We’re definitely just coming out of our first wave.

My friend believed she had it, had all the symptoms, her whole family and this was in December, she recently had the antibody test and was negative

@CillaBall was it a ‘legit’ antibody test or one bought online?
DH thinks he had symptoms in early March, bought one of the Superdrug tests and it cane back negative. They were pulled from the market shortly after this...

Have you seen the other 98654 threads on this exact issue that have been posted in the last 4 months?

I'd be amazed if there's anything new that could be said on the subject, the good thing about MNHQ being strict on the corona threads being moved altogether to one topic is that it should be pretty easy to find them. There are literally 1000s of posts if you want opinions.

@sunandrose it was a blood test done via the hospital

I don't think it was. I was very poorly at the end of November but I think just a flu or something. It is was here much earlier, there would have been many more deaths..

@life not need to be touchy I had not seen them and don't reply if you seem bored of them jeez