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Mexico - OMG

39 replies

BBCONEANDTWO · 05/07/2020 10:56

Mexico is really doing badly I just looked at figures:

6,914 new cases and 523 new deaths in Mexico

Altogether number of deaths:

Deaths:
30,366

I didn't realise how bad it was there.

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MRex · 05/07/2020 11:03

There are many more cases and deaths than that:
www.ft.com/content/5746d3c0-ea4c-4552-b465-ea0c491079b2.

Even so, it's better than some countries like Ecuador where they can't even test.

It's a horrible disease and a horrible year.

TingTastic · 05/07/2020 11:34

Yes, it’s strange how some of these countries just aren’t being discussed in the news

The worrying one is Peru - they’re still trying to fight off dengue fever so the health system is already on it’s knees. 10,000 deaths but in terms of deaths per population it’s worse than Brazil!

You can find some stats here: www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BBCONEANDTWO · 05/07/2020 15:01

THANKS FOR the link MREx but I can't get through to it as you have to subscribe.

TingTastic - `I didn't realise about Peru this is awful. It seems all we hear about is USA, Brazil and UK so I didn't realise how bad it is in some other countries.

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MRex · 05/07/2020 18:36

@BBCONEANDTWO - better not to know really. Basically scientists think they're have been millions of cases in Mexico and conservative estimates of 78,000 excess deaths so far. It's very sad.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 05/07/2020 18:39

And yet loads on MN insist it's no worse than the flu and we should all just get back to normal and stop being scared of it.

BBCONEANDTWO · 05/07/2020 18:41

Thanks @MRex - that is very very sad. I think because we seem to have it more 'under control' here it doesn't seem as dangerous. It must be awful over there I feel for them all.

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Bol87 · 05/07/2020 20:45

It’s hard to compare countries really. Bare in my mind the amount of poverty in these countries compared to here, people live crammed together in tiny houses & slums and there certainly isn’t a furlough scheme for millions around the world. They don’t go out to work, they don’t eat. It will be ripping through their more elderly population as younger family members bring it home & I imagine many younger people with underlying conditions will either not know about them or not have access to medication needed to control their illness. Brazil also has a leader who has basically ignored the virus exists 😩

It’s not a huge surprise really that it’s starting to hit poorer countries really badly now. And sadly, it’s going to be awful for them. Because Corona isn’t the only deadly infection kicking around & their healthcare systems are poor..

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/07/2020 20:51

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras

And yet loads on MN insist it's no worse than the flu and we should all just get back to normal and stop being scared of it.
Half a million people die every year from malaria, mostly little children. 50-100 million dengue infections a year. 1.5 million deaths from diarrheal diseases per year, again, lots of babies and children. Shit, in Mexico 35 thousand people were murdered last year.

This one affects us so we think it's worse than anything. It's not if you live in the majority of the world. Donate and buy a few mosquito nets if you actually care about people in the majority world.

meditrina · 05/07/2020 21:03

The lack of coverage on the impact on other nations is disappointing.

The Beeb did have coverage of Yemen (after UNHCR voiced opinion that Covid couid 'delete it from the map')

But there's very little on say Congom(simultaneous outbreaks of Covid, measles and Ebola)

Nor on the suspension of measles vaccination programmes and the ticking time bomb that is.

Beatrixpotterspencil · 05/07/2020 21:10

@MrsTerryPratchett good comment. we live in a bubble don't we?

billybogeye · 05/07/2020 21:15

[quote Beatrixpotterspencil]@MrsTerryPratchett good comment. we live in a bubble don't we?[/quote]
Indeed, 80 million children potentially at risk due to interrupted vaccinations.

www.who.int/news-room/detail/22-05-2020-at-least-80-million-children-under-one-at-risk-of-diseases-such-as-diphtheria-measles-and-polio-as-covid-19-disrupts-routine-vaccination-efforts-warn-gavi-who-and-unicef

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/07/2020 21:45

Indeed, 80 million children potentially at risk due to interrupted vaccinations.

Bloody hell that's terrifying.

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/07/2020 21:46

Indeed, 80 million children potentially at risk due to interrupted vaccinations.

Bloody hell that's terrifying.

Lonecatwithkitten · 05/07/2020 21:48

We are going to feel the hit from this a different way, quite a few large manufacturing factories are in South America. There have already been some notifications that some big drugs are going become unavailable as the factories are unable to operate.

TARSCOUT · 05/07/2020 22:12

There have already been some notifications that some big drugs are going become unavailable as the factories are unable to operate.
What drugs are we talking about and where do you find this information?

ShootsFruitsAndLeaves · 05/07/2020 22:44

This one affects us so we think it's worse than anything. It's not if you live in the majority of the world.

Depends. On the one hand it might be that certain poor countries could live with the burden of the disease on top of all the other disease burdens they already suffer.

On the other, if those countries are mass reservoirs for covid, then that's bad for their tourist industries, which is an issue for millions of people around the world.

The problem is that while covid-19 probably hasn't killed that many in developing countries, lots have done horrible things to their economies, which are causing immense suffering right now. Many many millions of people not making a proper living now, malnutrition/stunting.

It's quite wrong to say it's not worse, because covid-19 is absolutely worse than all other diseases in the world, in most of the world, because people are suffering horribly as a result of the economic effects.

As far as things like malaria and dengue go they are 'well-controlled' in that they don't spread around the globe. If you don't live or travel in a malaria-endemic area then you won't get malaria.

It's impossible to isolate the economic effects of covid from the disease itself.

There might be some very poor and very isolated war-torn countries that remain isolated & war-torn with little effect from covid, but dozens of developing countries are suffering massively.

And it doesn't really make sense to say 'but this is just rich old white countries complaining', because China fucked its own economy to try to shut it down, and it has a much smaller % of elderly than the UK.

Until the world can go on as before while there are high levels of covid-19, then this fucks all countries, including those with nastier disease with higher death burdens.

Lonecatwithkitten · 05/07/2020 23:17

@TARSCOUT I am in a non-human healthcare role making purchasing decision I have had calls from the U.K. divisions of the companies. The factories concerned manufacture human drugs too.
Some drugs are on a once it's gone it's gone situation, some where it is essential that treatment is not interrupted we now have to make individual case requests to the U.K. division to get supplies released on a named patient basis.

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/07/2020 23:52

As far as things like malaria and dengue go they are 'well-controlled' in that they don't spread around the globe. If you don't live or travel in a malaria-endemic area then you won't get malaria.

40% of the world's population lives in a dengue area. I believe it's even higher for malaria. And with global warming it's getting even higher. That's pretty spread around the globe.

Yes economically COVID will screw the world. But the thread was about deaths in majority world countries from the virus, not secondary economic effects.

If we're talking about them then it's a 40 page essay on tied aid, debt, neo-colonialism, and all the myriad ways the rich countries have kept the poor countries poor for ever. COVID will just compound these. Especially as the US will need a really big war to bump their economy after this.

ShootsFruitsAndLeaves · 06/07/2020 09:34

40% of the world's population lives in a dengue area. I believe it's even higher for malaria. And with global warming it's getting even higher. That's pretty spread around the globe.

I think they are quite similar, but the point was rather that malaria does not in fact spread around the globe but affects only those people living/working/travelling in endemic areas, and in fact it's not getting higher, the number of people infected annually is decreasing and more countries are malaria-free, and more areas within those countries are malaria-free.

Malaria certainly damages the tourist economy of countries, but if you travel somewhere and catch malaria, it's not going to cause a pandemic in your home country.

Yes economically COVID will screw the world. But the thread was about deaths in majority world countries from the virus, not secondary economic effects.

We don't know how many deaths are occurring in these countries. They are unlikely to publish timely or accurate statistics on deaths. It costs almost a month's wages in Indonesia to get a covid-19 test that will be counted in official statistics.

Although statistics on TB, diarrhea, malaria, etc. are necessarily estimates as well, at least we have a vaguely reasonable estimate.

And we were in fact talking about Mexico, which doesn't have malaria. While Mexico has a high murder rate, for example, this does not spread virally in airplanes.

Covid's spread in warm countries is a concern for us in that it shows us covid is even more difficult to contain than we perhaps first imagined. We cannot carry on our normal lives while covid rages in Mexico, Indonesia, Pakistan, etc., whereas say child malnutrition in Indonesia isn't something that impact on us in that way.

That's not to say that the latter is not a terrible thing, it just doesn't represent an urgent problem for people in the UK.

InsaneInTheViralMembrane · 06/07/2020 11:01

Mexico has a particularly high rate of obesity and type 2 diabetes - not being snarky, looking out of my glass house as I type!

Comparing apples and oranges has never worked.

TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair · 06/07/2020 11:03

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras

And yet loads on MN insist it's no worse than the flu and we should all just get back to normal and stop being scared of it.
I don't think that's fair.

A lot of people are arguing it isn't that far away from flu in terms of impact. Worldwide 290,000 to 650,000 per year die from flu. We're at somewhere around 500,000 deaths from COVID so far and I know that's in 6 months (possibly 9 months depending on the argument) but it's spread everywhere already so it's not like it's got lots of countries still to spread to. Even if the death toll ends up being double by the end of the year - it's still broadly close to the number flu gets (bearing in mind how many people there are overall in the whole world) We're not talking about there being a difference in deaths in the millions.

And no, most people shouldn't be scared. For the vast majority it's a mild illness or they get no symptoms. I can still see it's a very horrible and serious virus for some (as flu is!).

PrayingandHoping · 06/07/2020 11:05

It's bad out there

I have relatives that live in Mexico City. They are elderly with bad health. Thankfully they managed to get out the city in time and are in their house in the mountains.

I'm worried about them

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 06/07/2020 11:10

TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair

And many countries have locked down to lessen the number of deaths. I wonder what the figures would have looked like had Europe, America, Australia, New Zealand, China not locked down and had just allowed it to spread as they are doing in South America?

It is more infectious than flu and with a population that has no immunity it's of course going to kill more people than flu does. Even if the mortality rate is low in terms of percentages the actual number of infections and deaths will be too high for health systems to cope with.

Comparing this to flu is simply ridiculous until we have a vaccine available.

MRex · 06/07/2020 12:13

Sadly South America hasn't just allowed it to spread, they actually locked down too. Badly though in many cases, because they forgot that people need money and forgot to control marketplaces for daily food purchase (many don't have a fridge). Well, and then they have raging idiots like Bolsonaro and Moreno, who seem to be in competition with Trump for who can say the most idiotic thing next.

MRex · 06/07/2020 12:16

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras is quite right that it's much more dangerous than flu and would lead to many more deaths without lockdown. I do think we are ready to open up more in the UK however, because infection rates are now very low here and we need an economy. It's a very difficult balancing act, sadly we'll only work out the best strategies with hindsight, and even then comparing countries is very hard so it'll still only be "we think we'd have done better if...".

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