Second wave

[Riv12345]

How many people think this is the second wave?

I think it is possible that covid was in the country earlier than we think. There certainly seem to be a lot of anecdotal cases to support this.

To be honest, what "wave" this is, is irrelevant surely? A virus doesnt go "oh I've only had a first wave, better stick around longer" or "second wave done, off I go". Some pandemics may only have one wave, some could have more, we don't know. The precautions we take now should be based on number of cases we have now, not how many waves we think there have been. Do you think we would do anything differently if scientists decided this was the second wave?

No. Although I beleive it was around earlier than we think, there was no other first wave. No spike in hospital admissionsor spike in death rates prior to this.
Im sure people had it earlier but the virus was just find it's way through us then.

This is very much the first wave imo.

@Riv12345

How many people think this is the second wave?

Think what is the second wave? Did you mean to post a link to something?

My ex colleague work in critical care.
She said they had a pneumonia type illness coming in last year, apparently abit different to a normal pneumonia but treated as pneumonia.
Months later COVID 19 has appeared as a pneumonia type virus.

They were saying the other day in a meeting that this could be the second wave!
Papers going on about the second wave coming
But are we in it?

My son and a classmate, both very healthy and well, year 2 primary, both caught a respiratory illness in summer 2019 that led to pneumonia and a hospital stay. It was very odd. Even the consultant thought it was very odd.

My partner was regularly flying to America and japan around the time.

The nursery near me had to be closed for a deep clean as 60% of the children and a number of staff all became ill with a flu like illness in early December. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it was here earlier than we thought.

In my health board there was a lot of people Ill then which was put down to a flu like illness as well

@justanotherneighinparadise

My son and a classmate, both very healthy and well, year 2 primary, both caught a respiratory illness in summer 2019 that led to pneumonia and a hospital stay. It was very odd. Even the consultant thought it was very odd.

My partner was regularly flying to America and japan around the time.

In 1979 I had pneumonia and was in hospital for 10 days along with 3 others from our (small) primary school. The hospital paediatricians thought this was very odd.

In December, my then 5mo little girl had a week of temperatures that just wouldn’t stay down and a persistent cough that lasted months. Two courses of antibiotics and it didn’t shift. About a week after first starting with this bug my mum developed similar symptoms and was really very poorly all over Christmas and into the new year. Antibiotics didn’t help her either. Mum’s description of symptoms certainly match with that of Covid.

I just wonder though as wouldn’t we have seen a rise in deaths last year? Or has the virus mutated and is now more severe, perhaps this is the second wave?

I think if you look at excess deaths this year you will get your answer (unfortunately).

I think it’s certainly possible. I read something ok BBC site a while back about Monklands hospital ICU and they said they’d been dealing with this since early January but first official case in Scotland wasn’t til 5 March

@sunandrose they wouldn’t know what this was then?

But it wouldn't matter if it wasn't diagnosed correctly, it would still show up in the excess deaths (which did not start to rise above past figures until April).

I agree with @FrugiFan. This could be the second wave (if the first wave was a non fatal mutation, so excess deaths weren't affected), but that doesn't mean people are 'wrong' to be worrying about a second wave coming up. If we're in the second wave now there could be a third wave next!