Corona Bubbles who, how? And possible Alienation

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Hello
Ive just joined today and as im not a childminder or work in a nursery i thought this may be the best place to ask for advice as the guidelines arent very clear.

I have 2 Grandchildren 1 is back at school the other is not.
Thier Father has been told hes not allowed to take them on day trips or as kittle as possible out of the house acceot school ( shared residency half week....I do think theres a belief of severe lack of commonsense)
The risk given to enforce the request is that her own Mother has MS and is now visiting her home and is in her 1 support Bubble.

The Father has also been shut down this week advised extended family can no longer have extra time with the children to holiday, ( this is for good never to be restarted) all for suggesting the booking of a holiday in the future ( the Mother is bitter she lost a holiday so its ... understandsble but we've all had to cancel holidays) rebooking now as prices are increasing and places are limited. ( cancellations will be done again if nevessary)

The Mother is a nursery nurse not working herself as at high risk. Also Not a registered childminder at her home.
The Youngest grandchild is still at home but the Mother is having her friends child at her house all day on Monday due to a school inservice day.
The Mother is also being driven in other peoples cars and has her friends in the house as well as staying at friends houses everyother weekend through lockdown.
As im not a chilminder or a nursery worker i dont know the full guidelines but surely the child coming round next week is more a risk to a person with MS than my grandchildren who have and still are very protected by thier Father.

Is anyone caring for front line workers children on certain days that schools are closed and is this normal behaviour?
Thanks.

I don't think it's worth talking about what might be planned in the future.

Has your Son asked for the reasoning behind her decisions? On the face of it, they're out of order.

Yes, all he recieved was that she had to cancel her holiday and doesnt see why anyone else should have one with them and the risk is to high...but were months away from the bookings so nobody knows.
The request for the kids to have less activity was her Mums MS.
Hes seen through it all and it wont stop him it only hurts the children and now sadly very seperated homes.
Hes very worried about the children and the child due this week as how can the mother not be at work in a nursery but childmind?

Will the Grandchildren be at a higher risk ?
I assume now the risk is that someone vulnerable has a higher risk at catching covid and then giving it to the children and others rather than the amount of people in the home or the amoubt of people thier Mother is around? So the pub today is probably worse.

The Holidays he plans are always short stay trips well ahead being booked as the UK holidays will be gone. He never does full weeks due to work but likes to get 2 to 3 nights in which sadly cross over the shared living arrangements when not using weekend days which cost double. There has never been a problem in 4 years nothing like this. They come away with us regular for years mostky educational museums, librarys, old buildings, they love it but now it can only be the Father and hes not allowed to use the Mothers days, hes been warned that if he does get given them nobody else can be there. If they are then she will not allow him any days again.

Childminding one child, doesn't compare with working in a Nursery. I can see her point on that.

I think, for now, we should all try to cut down on possible transmission routes. Her Mother doesn't have higher risk of catching Covid, just possible complications. Thankfully it's only a very tiny number of children who have had it bad.

This is exceptional circumstances and the only thing he can do is to take each week as it comes. There's a level of uncertainty in everyone's plans.

As difficult as it is, he just needs to concentrate on his relationship with his children and put the wider family on hold.

Have you replied to the right message i know im getting list in here just getting my barrings.

His relationship with his children is 12 years long, it doesnt need any concentrating ?
Theres no reference to a lack of or need for concentration?

Did you mean in booking the holidays?

Wider family and booking holidays? Im lost again as going on line and booking holidays how did you get from booking holidays to putting the wider family on hold?
The post is only relative to the wider family in regards to booking holidays.
The main post is regarding government advice which is realy confusing as read today If you are highly vulnerable MS you cant go out till August the 1st.
If someone is that ill and thier own grandchildren can not socialise because if it how can another persons child be in the home.
If the Mother is vulnerable she stands to get it as much.

The Fathers concerned for his children are they at risk and as confussed at the governments advice, which i think many have been.

Im confused - why can't the father arrange any holidays for the days he has the children?

Are the children medically vulnerable?

Aghh I think i get what you mean now, very sorry.
The wider family on the Mothers side. Sadly the demands from the Mother to not do anything with his children when there is so much going on at thier thier home at thier Mums its hard not to. It naturaly feels as if MS/Covid are being used to emotionaly motivate a reaction and the removal of extra hours and days is almost like an attempted alienation as it limits his ability to provide for his children.

@Luzina

Im confused - why can't the father arrange any holidays for the days he has the children?

Hi Luzìna The arrangements are 1 day/night on 1 day night off. Its almost impossible to get a Holiday without compromise. The children thankfully no they are not medicaly vulnerable which is another reason why the demands of them to not be out with thier Father is strange. The parks have just opened and he has no intention on going to one as yet especially while they may be busy.

You're criticising perceived activity of the mother, while wondering why she is criticising decisions taken by the father. It's just a load of unhelpful grumbling on both sides really, while they can each legally do what they want during their own contact time. I don't understand all that you've written, but clearly the father wants different contact arrangements than currently agreed for holidays. He could leave it until August when shielding ends and see if anything changes. Or he could speak to a solicitor and make formal requests.

Thankyou for your reply....persieved is being unknown and guessing.
This is all actually at this date , factual and acts that are happening now.
August was decided this morning so your along the right lines and a letter a solicitor letter to present to court for failure to compromise on Holidays and alienation.
My unhelpful grumblings is proably as im writting it rather than my son who is a Father and This is a Mums forum but that shouldnt reflect from the details and the point asked. Insulting someone in thier presentation of posts and details helps nobody esoecially people who could be struggling with using the internet and communicating in short posts. Education or internet use shouldnt segregate peopke from help forums realy there is enough in the real world.
I have thou found a grandparents forum on here so i suspect it would of been better to join that and post.

Thanks for all the replies im into the granparents side so ill repost there but i Cant find the help to request a post move or removal.