Today's figures

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Hi all sorry if this has been already asked, I did have a look but couldn't see anything.

Where are today's figures?

Positive cases 576, deaths 89.

new positive cases and deaths

Thursday 2 July - 576 / 89
Thursday 25 June - 1,118 / 149
Thursday 18 June - 1,218 / 135
Thursday 11 June - 1,266 / 151
Thursday 4 June - 1,805 / 176

89 deaths reported but no information on numbers of cases.

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Thank you all

Cases are dropping now
Let's hope it stays that way

Sorry, didn't see the other replies!

Here

Gosh the numbers area really dropping what great news.

It's really going in the right direction. There could be a chance to really get on top of it, but no, let's open the pubs this weekend instead :(

Figures being "massaged" to support an agenda.

WHO have just removed 30,000+ cases from our total with some explanation of duplicate test results??

Takes us from 5th in the world to 8th.

But makes our death rate even worse than it was, proportionally.

Not sure which figures, if any, to believe now.

@manicinsomniac this is the reason why it has changed.

"The methodology for reporting positive cases changed on 2 July 2020 to remove duplicates within and across pillars 1 and 2, to ensure that a person who tests positive is only counted once. Due to this change, and a revision of historical data in pillar 1, the cumulative total for positive cases is 30,302 lower than if you added the daily figure to yesterday’s total."

Death rate doesn't really mean anything unless you know everyone who was infected, which we don't. Also comparing numbers of cases to other countries means very little as it totally depends on how many tests you are carrying out. We are testing a lot (now), others are testing very little when you compare it to population size.

It won't be possible to calculate an accurate death rate for any country simply due to the fact so many cases weren't picked up in the early stages when the disease was most prevalent. I would imagine that within the next few weeks the US develops by far the lowest death rate in terms of cases simply due to their massive second spike during which sufficient testing has been available.

For example we have tested 146,047 per 1M population whereas Brazil have tested 15,184 per 1M population. So none of these figures are really that relevant when you compare them across different countries. As the scientists have said excess death from all causes will be the best measure, but that won't be available for some time.

@Horehound
Seriously. That is clearly BS.

Okay, thanks.

So the revised figures are definitely a good thing then?

@manicinsomniac looks like it. If you are interested in the figures and are on twitter then it is worth following John Burn-Murdoch . He does analysis for the Financial Times and has been covering the pandemic. He is very happy about the revisions, particularly as they have actually removed the duplicates from the relevant days of historical data rather than just taking it off as a lump sum. If he’s happy I’m happy!!

Thanks, Marceline - yes, I'm very interested in the figures.

@sownahsk
All cause excess deaths will only be a fair measure if it begins from the start of last winter as countries that have just had a harsh winter which killed off a larger proportion of the most vulnerable will always be in a better position to minimise the deaths caused by a virus that disproportionately effects such people (for example in the UK all cause mortality was statistically significantly below normal for the winter up until March and the start of Corona). It is also only appropriate for long term international comparisons rather than for deciding what measures to relax or tighten as it includes deaths caused by the measures in place and their effects as well as the virus itself. While we obviously want to reduce the overall numbers of deaths, it is only the deaths that are caused by Covid-19 that are relevant in whether it is necessary to keep restrictions in place. If we use all cause mortality for such a purpose we are in danger of calculating that the restrictions need to remain in place due to higher than normal deaths in situations where these additional deaths are actually caused by effects of the lock down rather than the virus, such as suicide or an inability to obtain food.

[quote StatisticalSense]@Horehound
Seriously. That is clearly BS.[/quote]
Yep. The number of deaths is completely and utterly irrelevant when it comes to air bridges anyway, as it relates to historic infections.

[quote StatisticalSense]@Horehound
Seriously. That is clearly BS.[/quote]
Well, time will tell :) this person's Twitter account is always spot on. Don't know why you'd just dismiss is straight away. The government's handling of this whole saga has hardly been astounding...
Why not just wait and see?!