Pillar Two

[CarlaH]

So now I feel a right numpty.

Have been keeping my eyes on the daily figures and am suddenly realising that what I have been looking at are only hospital cases.

I had no idea what pillar one and pillar two are but it seems that pillar one is hospital/healthcare settings and pillar two are cases actually out in the community.

In other words people I might encounter while out and about.

I believe that the pillar two figures aren't available so we have no way of establishing our actual risk.

Could somebody tell me I am wrong because I was just starting to feel optimistic as cases and deaths appeared to have reduced considerably.

Well - They clearly can get it now, if pushed - this is just published, in a PHE report about Leicester. The icons identify different settings (workplaces, hospitals, schools etc)

It therefore is a legal requirement that Deloittes should have been passing on this information to local health authorities from day 1. Except because they are accountants, they didn't know this.
If their contract was with PHE they would have been required to pass it to PHE
or the NHS
but not local authorities
Deloitte will know the rules

Quote from the notifiable disease government page:

Diseases notifiable to local authority proper officers under the Health Protection (Notification) Regulations 2010

Now Jennifer Williams has been saying the following today:

Jennifer Williams @JenWilliamsMEN
An anecdote about this: at one point there was both a pillar 1 testing centre and a pillar 2 testing centre at the Etihad. Manchester’s public health director could get the data from one but not the other. Couldn’t make it up.

If Manchester's Public Health Director couldn't get the data then that suggests there has been an issue and a failure to report to local health officials.

Also, the Health Protection (Notification) Regulations 2010 also state the following:

Duty on the relevant local authority to disclose notification to others

6.—(1) This regulation applies where the proper officer of a local authority has received a notification under regulation 2 or 3.

(2) The proper officer of the local authority must disclose the fact of the notification and its contents to—

(a)the Health Protection Agency;

(b)the proper officer of the local authority in whose area P usually resides (if different); and

AND

(3) The disclosure must be made in writing within 3 days beginning with the day that the proper officer receives the notification.

(4) Without prejudice to paragraph (3), if the disclosing proper officer considers that the case is urgent, disclosure must be made orally as soon as reasonably practicable.

(5) In determining whether a case is urgent, the disclosing proper officer must have regard to—

(a)the nature of the disease, infection or contamination or the suspected disease, infection or contamination notified;

(b)the ease of spread of the disease, infection or contamination;

(c)the ways in which the spread of the disease, infection or contamination can be prevented or controlled; and

Now we KNOW that Jennifer Williams has been saying that health officials in Manchester have been trying to get hold of this data since at least 9th June.

I know other journalists have been looking into this, but I am particular aware of how she has been following this story.

The full act can be found here:
www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010/659/contents/made

If anyone else wants to pick holes and say that all statutory duties have been carried out here.

They haven't.

Jennifer Williams @JenWilliamsMEN
^Feel like I’ve sat an exam today, drained trying to stay on top of what Covid data is/isn’t accurate, useful and in context (@pdgallagher
doing the same). If we’re to avoid confusion and needless panic (or complacency) locally, we need real-time LA level data ASAP.^

And @AndyBurnhamGM is right - it’s not helpful if govt is briefing out random places ‘at risk’ of lockdown. We STILL don’t know what national govt considers to be the trigger for local lockdown and tbh that means public health departments countrywide are being treated w/contempt.

I’ll keep banging on about this for as long as necessary: if, as a minister, local government is good enough to have the responsibility for managing local outbreaks then it’s good enough to be treated with respect.

I cannot comprehend how we’re in July and data sharing arrangements aren’t in place, postcode level data still isn’t available to public health directors, local lockdown triggers are unclear and the health sec has just realised he needs new legislation even to act one.

But whatever. Let’s now just get the goddamn data, stop treating the army of professionals tasked with fighting this on the ground like fools and behave like a grown up country.

I feel a LOT better for saying that

Like OP I have been tracking cases in my local area from coronavirus.data.gov.uk. I have looked at the LTLA cases, which still cover a fairly large area, and noted there are x number of new cases each day, week etc. Only to discover they are only the pillar 1 cases! I feel totally misled.

I want to know the cases in my smaller local area- lower tier local authority- not the whole county. The whole county is far too large an area.

Why can’t we know if our local cases are increasing?

Why can’t we know if our local cases are increasing?

Because it was outsourced to accountants who don't know the law.

RTB
Because it was outsourced to accountants who don't know the law.
Deloitte are consultants
and they know the law better than the wazzocks who hired them

So why on earth did we get this stuff that they couldn't pass on the data 'because GDPR' and why did they fail to pass on information about notifiable diseases, when they knew the law so well?

Sorry, but you are going to have to try a bit harder than that.

RTB
They collected data and handed it to the people who paid them.
They are quite correct that they could not hand it on to other people for a different purpose
a key point of GDPR
THe fact that the people who hired them did not put any process in place for using the data
is fault of Matt Hancock and Boris Johnson

As I've said to you on another thread / earlier on
they were paid to collect the samples
and then subcontract the analysis
and then send the results to the Government.

After that its the Department of Health who are responsible, not the data collectors

And Deloitte will not have called out the rubbishness of the contract because they were too busy rolling in the dosh

i am not sure other european countries have access to even half the data we do, they all report differently

My friends in France can tell me and have done so, the numbers in their department, all of them and have had that info for many weeks now.

IMHO we don't have any trustworthy info, PPE counted by the item ie individual glove counted as one item of PPE, test data counting a throat and nasal swab (on the same person) as two tests and postal tests sent out counted as a completed test....

God knows how anyone can come to any conclusions, good or bad, on our CV infection rates.

"i am not sure other european countries have access to even half the data we do"

In Germany, it has always been pretty simple to access the data:

I can select from "new infections / active cases / available ICU beds / deaths"

I just type in the first letters of the administrative district name
(there are 401 districts, each with about 200k people)

For "new infections" I get an overview map of all the districts with circle size indicating the scale of the new infections

The RED circle indicates the district that exceeded the 7-day case threshhold for locallockdown

For "cases" I get:

Map showing size of incidence, with RED for the district that exceeded the lockdown 7-day incidence threshhold

and for the specific district:

A graph of rolling 7-day average of cases

of cases in 7 days and / 100k pop

total # of cases and / 100k
total # of active cases and / 100k
total # of recovered cases and / 100k - btw, why can't the UK state "recovered" ?
total number of deaths and / 100k
number of free ICU beds

I can get similar detailled info if instead of "new infections" I select one of the other categories