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This too shall pass? Or is this just the future now?

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BumbleWumble · 30/06/2020 23:52

A lot of people seem confident that this situation will pass and we will get back to a semblance of normality. But realistically how will this happen?

Most hopes seem to be pinned on a vaccine. We are told this could be available next year, but how likely is that really and how safe would such a rushed one be? It's possible in reality it could take years or one could never be found.

They could come up with treatments that make the disease more routinely curable. However we would then still continue to run the risk of catching it and presumably some people would still die. An effective treatment would take much of the fear out of it though and could presumably herald a return to greater normality.

Other than those two possibilities what else is there? Unless there is some miraculous thus far unknown factor, such as a large percentage of the population possessing natural immunity, the only possibility seems natural herd immunity. But this would mean a huge number of deaths and probably an even greater number of people left with serious life long damage. It's not an acceptable strategy, and even if it was, lasting immunity, or even any immunity at all, is not guaranteed.

But if no way to get on top of this virus is found, then the future seems bleak beyond belief. People will be constantly dying or becoming incapacitated by the disease. And life will be the awful 'New Normal' forever more. Social distancing will be here to stay and people will never be able to freely interact with family and friends again. We'll be constantly wary in all public places and life will be lived confined to the house as much as possible. There'll be no more social gatherings, no fun and enjoyable events. Essentially we will have to treat each other as potential lepers forever more. I just can't bear the thought of this being the future, as I'm sure most people can't, yet realistically the options for getting out of the situation seem very limited and might not even be possible.

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WhoWants2Know · 01/07/2020 10:04

I actually hope that in time our quality of life may improve as a result of measures taken during the response to the virus.

We've learned that quite a lot of people can work effectively from home without the need to put an extra vehicle on the road or maintain expensive office space. Technology for remote meetings has become the norm. Employers have looked at hot desk arrangements and realised how that and presenteeism cost them in terms of productivity.

We're generally more aware of infection control measures, and more likely to take precautions that will inhibit the spread of all viruses.

Just looking at each of our journeys and weighing up how essential it is, is a great habit to get in to.

In my area, lots of local businesses have found new ways to get food to isolated people and their business within the community has soared.

So although there are a lot of challenges to the situation, there will also be benefits.

onedayinthefuture · 01/07/2020 10:08

@Llamazoom and there are many other illnesses just as bad. People with chronic migraine wish themselves dead a lot of the time. At least with coronavirus, you're more likely to get the mild version and not even know you are ill.

Bol87 · 01/07/2020 10:16

No pandemic has ever lasted forever. Nor will this one.

The answer will be a vaccine. There is no reason what so ever to think we won’t find one. This is a virus like any other we vaccinated against. It may take a couple years.

And treatment will get better. And yes people will die unfortunately.

Look at flu. We have a fairly extensive vaccine programme. All the vulnerable, elderly & children are vaccinated. And companies can pay to vaccinate their employees (mine does). And we know how best to treat it, what drugs work etc. Yet still around 17,000 people a year die of flu. It’s just something we accept. We don’t SD or go into lockdown every year. The same will eventually happen with Corona. Once a vaccine is out & drugs are saving say 70+% of lives, we’ll accept a certain level of fatality and carry on. Similarly Sepsis kills around 50,000 people a year in the UK alone. Yet we don’t all SD & hide in our houses in case we catch a virus that then leads to sepsis!

kittensarecute · 01/07/2020 12:08

We need to go back to normal soon. Because I can't carry on like this for much longer. This isn't living.

lljkk · 01/07/2020 12:47

For me the problem isn't about whether there is a covid vaccine or not in future. My worry is:

Is this our new attitude to risk no risk is acceptable? Any chance you have something respiratory that might be nasty (influenza, colds, whatever) is not unacceptable means you should isolate for 2 weeks? Is influenza ok to tolerate but not RSV or covid -- why? How do you know? Who decides what is unacceptable to appear in public with when you haven't even been tested?

Apparently there is a local "spike". There were 8 cases in my area in the last week. Probably none of them hospitalised or very ill. Is that the unacceptable threshold 8 cases of something that might hurt someone if it gets passed on and we must start talking about lockdown? What is the acceptable level of risk to Live with and not worry about does it exist? Which diseases are too dangerous, what prevalence is too dangerous? Why is no one talking about how this decision is made.

Wannaflyaway · 01/07/2020 12:48

I'm terrified at the prospect that things will stay like this forever. It seems life a misery to me. I try to tell myself that this will pass, just as all pandemics have passed, and that no pandemic has ever lead to permanent social distancing. But then I read an article like this one in the Mail with the headline ''China's top medical expert warns the first wave of COVID-19 is 'not over at all' and the disease will change the way we live forever''. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8474215/Chinas-leading-medical-expert-warns-wave-COVID-19-not-over.html

The words ''the disease will change the live forever'' I just can't come to grips with. Why is this pandemic so different to past pandemics in that this one will change the way we live forever? Is there something unique about this virus and it's longevity that experts aren't telling us? Why is the phrase 'the new normal' being used and not 'the new temporary normal'?

crosseyedMary · 01/07/2020 12:50

The virus will disrupt the ability of the elites to extract a profit from the population

UltimateWednesday · 01/07/2020 13:06

It will have to pass, eventually we'll have to decide that avoiding the risk is not worth the price and will carry on with daily life whilst doing our best re hygiene etc.

UltimateWednesday · 01/07/2020 13:08

Wannaflyaway, what other viruses have "gone away"? They come and go, sometimes become less dangerous and the population builds some resistance/develops a vaccine but I can only think of one that doesn't exist any more and that was eliminated through a long programme of vaccination.

MarshaBradyo · 01/07/2020 13:11

It will pass either eventually or with vaccine sooner.

On the economics of it I’m starting to hear about redundancies, not just in media but via friends / colleagues that are being triggered due to furlough ending.

We cannot close everything down and keep doing it without huge consequences.

crosseyedMary · 01/07/2020 13:16

If we want to make analogies then we need to find a comparable viral pandemic and I don't think there is one?

TheDailyCarbuncle · 01/07/2020 13:24

What I don't understand is why the idea that this is a killer virus that's going to decimate everything hasn't gone away yet? There's very strong evidence that covid was going around in the UK since December 2019, if not earlier. No social distancing, no lockdown, no nothing and no one even noticed until China pointed it out.

Diseases go around all the time, it's part of being human. You can get an ear infection and end up with a serious long term heart problem, or you can get an infection in a cut and lose the limb. The fact that covid can have long term effects isn't a new thing by any stretch of the imagination - long term effects from infections happen every single day and we just manage them and get on with it.

OP the issue isn't that covid is deadly. The issue is that the whole world has entered into a delusion that they should and can control a virus that for many people doesn't even result in symptoms. It's an absolute fool's game because as soon as you eliminate some cases, other cases pop up. So the only question is, when do you stop? When everyone has lost their jobs? When the economy is so wrecked that deaths from starvation outweigh deaths from covid by thousands? Or right now, when we still have something to salvage?

As Sweden have shown, it is totally possible to carry on with a lot of life and still keep the virus under control. And don't listen to the nonsense that Sweden 'regrets' their choice - they don't - they just admit that too many people died in care homes which is exactly the same thing that happened her in the UK, which did have a lockdown

At some point everyone's going to just have to wake up and realise that 'staying safe' at the expense of everything else is not a sensible or proportional response to anything. We could all 'stay safe' by never leaving the house again, but what would that achieve?

OP you might get covid in ten years time. Equally you might get any one of the other thousands upon thousands of illnesses out there. Or you might live an extremely healthy life and die of old age at 110. Who knows? No one can guarantee anything for you, no matter how much you would like them to.

Bignet182 · 01/07/2020 13:55

@kittensarecute

We need to go back to normal soon. Because I can't carry on like this for much longer. This isn't living.
Better get used to it, the world doesn’t revolve around you.
Wannaflyaway · 01/07/2020 15:01

UltimateWednesday I'm thinking mainly of Spanish Flu. I know it didn't just disappear but something must have happened to the virus to enable people to go on with their lives as normal, otherwise people would have been socially distancing for the past 100 years. Why could life continue as normal after the Spanish flu pandemic and yet they're saying life can never continue as normal after this pandemic? I just don't understand it. Something doesn't add up.

Langbannedforsafeguardingkids · 01/07/2020 15:19

The virus is nasty, but so are diseases such as meningitis. There are lots of nasty diseases, the issue is that this is new and no-one has immunity and if we let it progress without any measures to reduce R, then the health service will be completely overwhelmed which would mean a lot more death as it would mean - for a lot of people - there would effectively be no health service to help you if you got very ill. It would also mean burn out and PTSD for medics and probably an exodus of qualified nurses and doctors from medicine.

We probably will get better treatments over time, if not a vaccine, and gradually (so as not to overwhelm the health service) more people will have it and develop immunity - if immunity is even possible, we don't actually know if that's true at all yet. Let's hope so.

But considerations of the virus aside, personally, the last thing I want to do is 'return to normal' where my kids don't see their Dad because he's working such long hours, everyone spends hours a day commuting and polluting, and no-one has any time to enjoy the more important things in life. Our society has become so imbalanced between rich and poor and built on environmentally destructive norms. I really want an end to that. My kids have actually benefitted from time out of school too. I know that's not true of all kids, but I think there are many that have benefitted from a break and from the new socially distanced classrooms.

Medstudent12 · 01/07/2020 15:27

Can people please stop saying the "only successful" treatment has been bought out by the US. It reduces time spent in hospital it does not decrease mortality. Oh and it costs thousands of dollars for a dose.

We won't be like this for ever. This forum is insane!

Medstudent12 · 01/07/2020 15:28

It's dexamethasone that reduces mortality, which is one of the most widely available drugs in the world.

FizzFan · 01/07/2020 15:32

Better get used to it, the world doesn’t revolve around you.

You seem nice, @Bignet182.

DopamineHits · 01/07/2020 15:41

In living memory similar viruses have wreaked havoc in other countries and they have recovered and gone back to normal, perhaps with better hygiene practices.

Of course things will recover here. I expect we'll all be a bit cautious once the weather gets colder, maybe some temporary preventative measures will be brought in like 2 metre distancing again, but I think we'll be completely back to normal this time next year.

Ormally · 01/07/2020 16:47

"Realistically, how will this happen?"

Realistically - reasonably slowly, with adaptations according to your views of control, threat, risk, or sense of 'rights' or 'entitlement' to do something or not do something (e.g. travel; do crowded but non-essential activities; wear masks or more sophisticated protective items if in certain jobs). Things will change, but slowly, because politically all of the above are in the process of being juggled. We are at the end of the beginning now, but sadly not with a lot more reliable knowledge yet. It will be baby steps, but we have already taken some of them even since February.

Just found this, which is something that is persuasive to me in terms of personal responsibilities/choices. Have seen plenty of opinions around that would still be the polar opposite of mine though: www.distractify.com/p/microbiologist-mask-demonstration

orangedigger · 01/07/2020 19:21

The issue isn't one of personal risk but global risk and this is why this pandemic/illness will have and continue to have a lasting impact for some time yet.

Although only life threatening to a small percentage of the world population it is highly, highly contagious and left unchecked will overwhelm and would have overwhelmed not only healthcare but the economy and productivity worldwide, the knock on impacts of these situations would still affect you and I and our families in significant but perhaps different ways, probably much worse. It really isn't flu!

It is very difficult for most people, we have all had personal struggles and are facing huge change and loss and will all be going through the different stages of fearfulness, denial and acceptance at different times. This wasn't something that any of us had in our plans or could have been prepared for.

My advice myself, my Mum and daughters to just roll with it, take each day, try to see ourselves as part of a local, national and worldwide community working together to do our bit to prevent this thing getting out of control and to be kind and understanding about how difficult it is for everyone for all sorts of individual reasons. In our family we have between us, lost jobs already, had a family member die too young and too soon, had to give up work to educate children, lost months of critical schooling, missed each other, shown our greys, cancelled pet insurance and lost holidays, retired 5 years early (without the income needed) put the family home on the market to downsize to help all of our financial struggles …..but, we are intact and have taken what control of what we are able to, we will ride it out and be more resilient and we won't take anything for granted and we will embrace our love for each other to get through this (and recognise that we have taken each other for granted perhaps in the past)

This virus will not be around forever, or it possibly will be, but will be controlled through vaccines or losing strength or through low level controls of outbreaks. However this shows that we are vulnerable worldwide to something similar in the future and hopefully has given governments a bit of a kick to make sure systems are in place in time to manage it better.

I would love to think that the world will become a better place out of all off this and we will become more compassionate, environmentally friendly and selfless - I doubt that unfortunately, but for some of us, I am sure, it has given us a time for reflection and opportunity to prioritise what is important for us as individuals; this will be very different for me and you, and equally valid.

So for those of you really struggling, you are not on your own most of us are struggling in different ways, we are in this together and should support each other.

For those of you that this situation will change your life for the better, then this is positive and we should all look to these positives for reassurance.

For these of you who feel like they are living some kind of groundhog day with no light at the end of the tunnel, this isn't true, we are getting more freedom but because you are at a different stage of acceptance it probably feels worse - it will get better, might take a few steps back sometimes but it will move forward.

FizzFan · 02/07/2020 00:13

That’s a lovely post @orangedigger. Thank you x

Weepinggreenwillow · 02/07/2020 08:04

just to clarify this point, Coronavirus is actually NOT extremely contagious as viruses go. The natural R rate for CV is around 3. Compare this to the R rate for measles for example which is around 12.

BumbleWumble · 02/07/2020 11:45

@Weepinggreenwillow

just to clarify this point, Coronavirus is actually NOT extremely contagious as viruses go. The natural R rate for CV is around 3. Compare this to the R rate for measles for example which is around 12.
Contagious enough to have swept around the world in a matter of months though.
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BumbleWumble · 02/07/2020 11:52

@Wannaflyaway

I'm terrified at the prospect that things will stay like this forever. It seems life a misery to me. I try to tell myself that this will pass, just as all pandemics have passed, and that no pandemic has ever lead to permanent social distancing. But then I read an article like this one in the Mail with the headline ''China's top medical expert warns the first wave of COVID-19 is 'not over at all' and the disease will change the way we live forever''. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8474215/Chinas-leading-medical-expert-warns-wave-COVID-19-not-over.html

The words ''the disease will change the live forever'' I just can't come to grips with. Why is this pandemic so different to past pandemics in that this one will change the way we live forever? Is there something unique about this virus and it's longevity that experts aren't telling us? Why is the phrase 'the new normal' being used and not 'the new temporary normal'?

I suspect if Spanish Flu were happening now we'd be doing the same thing, locking down and talking of the 'New Normal' it would bring about.

I am also finding it extremely difficult to imagine life might be like this forever. I don't care about material things or foreign holidays, but the thought that we might never be able to freely interact with other human beings ever again and have to constantly treat each other as potential lepers fills me with despair. Even though I am an introvert I cannot stand the thought of my entire future consisting of that. My main fear is the virus itself, and I will of course take all the necessary precautions, but I just hope that there will be a vaccine and effective treatments that not only save lives, but mean we can resume normal human interaction. As swiftly as possible.

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