Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Covid

Mumsnet doesn't verify the qualifications of users. If you have medical concerns, please consult a healthcare professional.

How long do a lot of people expect people to stay locked down for?

64 replies

annabel85 · 26/06/2020 16:59

I've just got off the phone to my Auntie. She's reasonably healthy and not in a vulnerable category, but she has followed every rule to the letter since lockdown, which is fine. I have too near enough.

However, she's just gone on a massive rant to me on the phone about how football supporters last night and people going to beaches are willfully killing people and protesters don't care about the health of their own families and blames the police for not arresting people breaking rules to set an example. A long diatribe about selfish kids who should be staying at home and need to be taught a lesson.

Now, i've complained myself about the scenes in Bournemouth yesterday and some of the scenes at protests, but how long are they expecting bored and restless kids and younger generation to stay at home for? I ask because we were never sold lockdown on it being an indefinite thing, it was a temporary measure 'to save the NHS'. Covid is far from gone but what recent scenes have shown is that many people have reached the end of their tether with lockdown/restrictions. 3 months seems to be beyond the limit for many but there's a lot of people like my Auntie who expect everyone to be staying indoors indefinitely and it's just not realistic.

I don't want to turn it into a government bashing thread but this could have all been avoided if we weren't asleep at the wheel in February/March. Other countries were able to recover quicker and have now opened up with still lower infection rates than what we have now before opening more things up.

I just think expecting people to stay indoors now with what's left of the summer and with summer holiday season approaching, you're fighting a losing battle. We risk a summer of social unrest as it is. It's expect people to carry the can for the bad decisions that were made in Feb/March time.

OP posts:
SockYarn · 27/06/2020 11:11

I think the vast majority - like 95% - are in the middle group. Doing as they are told, sticking to the rules but also embracing being able to do things like meet up with others or go to the zoo.

Also agree that a lot of the group 1 people who want to stay locked down FOR EVER, either make up their own rules (such as the 1 hour and not a second more exercise one) or start calling people names like "selfish" or "irresponsible" for going to Ikea or planning a holiday even though the government has said those things are prefectly acceptable.

Studycast · 27/06/2020 11:14

Most of the people I know are in group 2, as are we.

Kazzyhoward · 27/06/2020 11:16

How long do a lot of people expect people to stay locked down for?

No one has to "stay locked down" anymore. Everyone is free to leave their house and do things. Not everything is open but things are opening up again slowly. All that we ask is that people continue to take pretty easy/simple precautions, like respecting personal space, washing hands, etc - it's really not rocket science. Nothing to stop people going out having a good time, but how about they show a little restraint, don't abandon their litter, don't get too close to others, don't cough/spit/sneeze close to others, etc. If people can't continue to take simple/reasonable precautions then they'll suffer things getting closed down and more restrictions again when the virus starts spreading again (caused by them!).

Splodgetastic · 27/06/2020 11:17

Love the way Boris Johnson says people are taking liberties by going to the beach. Yeah, Boris, they are called civil liberties and fully within their rights. And honestly I think I could run this country better than the current government, even if I was blindfolded and had my hands tied behind my back.

frozendaisy · 27/06/2020 11:28

The world needs a treatment or preferably a vaccine. I hate this life. Happy to follow guidelines and we are just about, but it's pants.

Swimming, who knew we'd miss swimming so much! And just everything else where humans come together in groups of more than x2 families. Sigh.

Kazzyhoward · 27/06/2020 11:31

The world needs a treatment or preferably a vaccine.

This morning the World Health Organisation said they expected 2 billion vaccinations by the end of 2021!

EnlightenedOwl · 27/06/2020 11:57

@Splodgetastic

Love the way Boris Johnson says people are taking liberties by going to the beach. Yeah, Boris, they are called civil liberties and fully within their rights. And honestly I think I could run this country better than the current government, even if I was blindfolded and had my hands tied behind my back.
I think this is frightening the constant threat of taking away civil liberties.
lljkk · 27/06/2020 12:04

Hi Studycast -- no, I'm American, actually :).

From a 'laid-back' 'chill-out' state.
Having a chip on your shoulder is something I consider very East Coast.
That's one of my problems with Donald Trump. He appeals to resentment, which is profoundly un-American (in my mind).

We can be judgemental or incensed by injustice and unfairness or unforgiving... but the whole culture of envy: No. Not us. Americans admire success, while we believe in action rather than moaning. "Sh!t or get off the pot" is an Americanism. Due to our German heritage?

Studycast · 27/06/2020 12:26

That's fascinating lljkk tvm for explanation!

[Issues surrounding genuine social injustice (never addressed sufficiently by successive governments) and envy/resentment (stoked up by politicians to polarise and exploit) are v relevant wrt uk politics now also.]

eeeyoresmiles · 27/06/2020 12:33

People who are in group 2 but see group 1 as the problem often come across (without realising it, I think) as if they're in group 3.

Likewise people in group 2 who see group 3 as the main problem and say so can give the impression they're in group 1 even if all they're arguing for is group 2 behaviour.

I agree that most people are in group 2, but I'm worried about people shifting from 2 to 3 at the moment. People who want to stay at home more (or who have to) don't do any harm other than potentially spending a bit less money. People who either don't give a shit (or who genuinely but with no malign intent think we don't need to be careful any more) are much more of a danger right now.

MereDintofPandiculation · 27/06/2020 12:38

*We have a very sad society where people think i... the older and vulnerable are going to die anyway so who cares about them." Interesting the shift in opinion - general outrage when Dominic Cummings was alleged to say the same "and if a few old people die, so what", but now so many people seem to have come round to the same way of thinking.

Yellowbutterfly1 · 27/06/2020 12:45

I do agree with a previous poster that there are many who regard themselves in group 1 but don’t need to be at all.

Also interesting that many who say they are staying inside until there is a vaccine and think others should be doing the same Seem to have no problem in having others do everything for them which involves going outside (delivery drivers etc)

LaurieMarlow · 27/06/2020 12:48

Are group 1 going to stay in for years if that’s what it takes? Because that is a possibility.

puffinkoala · 27/06/2020 12:58

I think that we didn’t lockdown soon enough or hard enough

What do you mean by "hard enough"? The only way in which our lockdown was a bit looser than the likes of Spain or Italy was the fact that we were allowed out for exercise. Do you really think stopping that would have prevented more deaths/cases? I don't. In fact I think there's an argument that it would have caused more as we'd all have been really short on vitamin D.

You can argue about whether we should have locked down earlier, I am not sufficiently well informed to know if it would have made that much difference unless we'd gone in early March as soon as Italy did.

And the airline quarantine was a red herring as very few people were coming in during our lockdown - about 95% of flights were cancelled, and those who were coming in, were generally coming in from other countries where there was lockdown. I suspect the number of cases that came in after the middle of March was tiny, compared with those coming in and around February half term.

rosie39forever · 27/06/2020 12:58

When group 1 is mentioned I think we need to recognise that it has 2 subsets, those who are shielding who need to be protected and supported by us all abiding by the rules and those who are terrified for no good reason.

Immigrantsong · 27/06/2020 13:07

In respect to group 1, I think we need to also factor people's fear and understand we cannot judge an emotional response that ultimately has no effect on anyone but that the person experiencing it. I don't see how these people's reaction should attract anything but empathy.

Littlebelina · 27/06/2020 13:17

Also agree with pertella, there is a lot of shaming of perfectly allowed activities.

Also think there may be a boy that cried wolf effect about the second wavers, the more people hear that ve day, blm, beaches, Easter etc are going to cause a second wave and don't, the more likely they are to become complacent and start to behave in a "riskier" fashion.

Splodgetastic · 27/06/2020 13:17

I’ve been out for exercise since the beginning and also to a public garden, but I’ve not been to a shop since March. I would very much like to get a takeaway, but I keep thinking that I’ve been careful so far and why chance it now if no one tells me I have to. If I have to go into work I might decide that as I am out and about anyway I would also get a takeaway, but maybe I would still choose not to. I can only control what I choose to do. At the beginning I was very blasé, but I have an underlying condition that puts me in the vulnerable category and take meds with slight immunosuppressant effect, and the more I heard about the effects on the lungs, brain and blood, the more concerned I became. I’m not shielding and generally not prone to health anxiety, although I do get the flu jab. I recently read that for someone like me the risk of dying isn’t as high as previously thought, but it’s still slightly higher than average, so I’m not sure what is best. I even managed to put DH off buying an ice cream from the van the other day!

ssd · 27/06/2020 13:20

I agree op. I think young people have carried the burden for all this more than we realise. I'm happy to Potter about at home but I'm not 21. At 21 I'd be out my mind with boredom and probably anger. This just isn't fair to the younger generation.

Splodgetastic · 27/06/2020 13:24

I know I am being slightly irrational as the increased risk to me is probably about the same as for if I caught flu and I did skip the jab one year.

rosie39forever · 27/06/2020 14:35

I really feel for young people they've been asked to sacrifice a lot, I live in a large university town and the students have been wonderful, many have stayed behind and set up groups to help in the community. I'm in my 50s and quite antisocial so this hasn't been to much of a hardship but my 18 year old self would have partied through the whole thing.

Kazzyhoward · 27/06/2020 14:47

What do you mean by "hard enough"? The only way in which our lockdown was a bit looser than the likes of Spain or Italy was the fact that we were allowed out for exercise.

The police in the UK barely bothered to enforce any of the lockdown rules. In Italy, there were police/army on the streets challenging people who were out and about.

Yellowbutterfly1 · 27/06/2020 15:53

Why do some people still think that the elderly were told to stay inside until the end of June?
There was talk about it at the beginning but it was just talk, never implemented.

Stellakent · 27/06/2020 17:44

Yellowbutterfly1 I've never understood this either. It was mentioned that at some point the over 70s might be asked to stay in for 12 weeks but not implemented and the letter which we all received after lockdown was clear that the same conditions applied for over 70s but that they should be extra careful.

Yet I know several over 70s who think they're supposed to be staying at home, or families who think that their parents shouldn't leave the house.

NotEverythingIsBlackandWhite · 27/06/2020 17:53

I think it's unreasonable to ask how long 'lockdown' will last. We are hardly locked down:
We can go to work (in most types of business) if we can't work from home.

We can go out on day trips.
We can be our of the house all day every day.
We can go out for exercise for as long as we want.
We can visit most shops, zoos, safari parks, playgrounds, beaches, countryside, beauty spots, churches.
What lockdown?