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ONS data: 88.6% of deaths to 15 May 2020 are in the white ethnic group

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wufti · 21/06/2020 07:32

For England and Wales. White ethnic included white British, Irish, gypsy or Irish traveller and other white.

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YinuCeatleAyru · 21/06/2020 07:42

source?

a single statistic is meaningless without context or analysis and consideration of what factors other than ethnicity might need to be corrected for.

there's some in depth analysis www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/coronavirusrelateddeathsbyethnicgroupenglandandwales/2march2020to10april2020#ethnic-group-differences-in-deaths-involving-covid-19-adjusted-for-main-socio-demographic-factors

wufti · 21/06/2020 08:00

Not good at links but on ONS website under people, population and community/births, deaths and marriages/deaths
Is death analysis based purely on ethnic group unadjusted for any other factor

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Timeforanotherusername · 21/06/2020 08:13

Erm......maybe because we are ethnically white?

And whilst the population is more mixed now, the vast majority of old people are white?

lootsharks · 21/06/2020 08:22

And your point is ?

MojoJojo71 · 21/06/2020 08:27

Considering the UK population is about 82% white then that’s hardly surprising.

However it doesn’t change the fact that BAME people are more likely than white peoples to die if they catch coronavirus

YinuCeatleAyru · 21/06/2020 08:34

if you don't have the skills to create links or understand why correcting for other factors is important, its probably best not to create threads about statistics. claming a single unsourced and unlinked statistic without any thought given to correcting for other factors says a lot more about the writer than it does about the subject of the statistic.

YinuCeatleAyru · 21/06/2020 08:40

whilst about 82% of the general population is white, about 96% of over 70 year olds are white, so given that age is a strong risk factor, looking at ethnicity data without correcting for age is simply idiotic.

MRex · 21/06/2020 08:57

Oh good, people already helped OP.

DippyAvocado · 21/06/2020 09:01

Agree with PP, you need to look at this in conjunction with other factors. We already know the biggest risk factor is age. However, if you take away the age risk - for example by looking at cases under 50- then BAME people are more likely to be affected in this country. Research has already shown this, so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Do you think the research is wrong?

cinammonbuns · 21/06/2020 09:08

@YinuCeatleAyru thank you for your comments. I’m unsure what weird agenda the OP is trying to push but they’ve embarrassed with that simple statistic. Didn’t account for age whatsoever and that’s the issue with BAME people. They die much younger with CV.

wufti · 21/06/2020 10:38

My point is that the biggest single risk factor is age. If you listen to the media now, you could be forgiven for believing the biggest factor for Covid-19 death is ethnicity. Yes, the elevated rates for BAME men in particular needs ongoing investigation and mitigation steps put in urgently but it feels like the fact that age - particularly over 85 - in the UK is now being downplayed and not given the focus it requires. For the over 85’s at home and in care homes, what is going to be done to ensure they get that balance of care and safety that they need? Isolation can be as much an issue to the elderly as physical safety.

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YinuCeatleAyru · 21/06/2020 11:10

if that "point" was in your head 3.5 hours ago when you wrote the OP why didn't you write any of that then? this looks like a backpedal as you have realised how bad the OP makes you look.

but anyway although I don't think it's true that age is being downplayed (everyone knows that age is a major factor) all these recent followup questions of how to help those who are shielding with issues of loneliness deserves a thread of their own (although there probably is one already) rather than being added as an addendum on a thread that opend looking like a racist dogwhistle.

CrazyDuchess · 21/06/2020 12:28

Thank you @YinuCeatleAyru

Musicforsmorks · 21/06/2020 12:39

Sadly I think covid will leave the uk even more divided about race, more so than brexit.
Don’t they always say an economic downturn, especial;y when it’s attached to a long standing a;ready existing downturn makes for a more authoritarian, fascist reaction.

I’ve already seen posters suggesting BAME and euro immigrants are ALREADY taking all of our post-covid jobs.

It’s ripe for picking and the tabloids may join in too, eh?

Throughout history it’s a sad repetition unfortunately.

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