Every child in every year group will return to school in September, Education Secretary Gavin Williamson has said.

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I didn't catch the briefing but read the above comment in the news. The big question is, did he say whether children returning would be part-time or full time? Or did he just gloss over that bit?

@MsJaneAusten

Maybe need a dedicated thread, reluctant to be accused of Teacher bashing though

Just don’t teacher bash then. Simple. We have no more control over any of this than anyone else.

Definitely not Teacher bashing

Concerned that ours is open in a different building and not doing bubbles, what’s the point of bubbles in that case and should this be reported as it is increased risk, if there are Teachers or anyone on this thread who knows the answer, please share?

Well my argument would be sorry I have to work so it's not possible. As would a lot of parents I imagine

and then there is this reason too

@Wraparoundq

Well my argument would be sorry I have to work so it's not possible. As would a lot of parents I imagine

and then there is this reason too

What's your question?

Should you report it?

@tootiredtothinkofanewname

Childminders aren't? Ours isn't allowed to pick up ds as its mixing bubbles. Or is that just because she has her pre-school bubble she can't mix?

No idea on your specific circumstances but childminders definitely can, and are providing wrap around. The guidance says something like ‘try not to but where it can’t be avoided, then you can’ (in government speak!)

Is it allowed?

If not, who do you report it to?

@Wraparoundq

Is it allowed?

If not, who do you report it to?

Yes it's allowed.

If it is allowed, what’s the point of bubbles?

@Wraparoundq

If it is allowed, what’s the point of bubbles?

You tell me.

So the magic words are “if / where possible” then!

No wonder Teachers et al are rather fed up!!

Not to mention Parents...

So the so called safety measures are basically so we can pretend it’s safe, oh look here comes the second wave 😅

Hysteria setting in...

Most of the secondary schools I’ve been to over the past decade have doors locked until the teacher shows up. They stand outside and wait, quietly. Pastoral patrol the corridors etc during lessons. At lunch and break times pastoral are used to give teachers breaks.

Some parts of the school is open during lunch such as the library. These area are staffed and other communal areas have staff and cameras.

Cameras aren’t allowed in classrooms. You would have to ask other parents why not.

And 🤣 🤣 at leave a group of teens unsupervised.
Aren’t all teens hoodie wearing thugs who blight their neighbourhood? That was the shite of touted on here a few months ago.
Calls to ban them from public transport especially in London because well teenage louts.

Weren’t teens stabbing each other on school grounds?

Weren’t they bullied?

Some have airport style security and community police based there.

Your living on another planet if you think none of the above happens in schools regardless of how fab they appear to be. How many parents of selective schools for example, found themselves powerless to protect their child from their class bully despite zero tolerance bullies?

Zero tolerance policies 🤣 *

@Porcupineinwaiting by ‘trash’ the room I don’t necessarily mean wanton vandalism (although there will be that danger) but there would be litter everywhere, chairs left everywhere, stuff moved about, kids playing with balls in a classroom which obviously can cause damage. I had a child sitting on a table once talking to their friends and he just fell backwards hit his head and had to go to hospital with concussion. I was there and able to deal with it immediately. We don’t have CCTV in our rooms but do in corridors and in other places have duty staff on.

Childminders can definitely do drop off and pick ups around here? I don’t know if different schools or areas have different policies? Or childminders themselves? Personally I think it would be sensible to offer the wraparound but similarly to KW children eg only if really needed. I suspect a number of people will perhaps work from home for a while which in turn might ease the burden on after school providers?

Just seen the government has employed Oak Academy for another year.....

Not all degree courses can be taught via distant learning. Engineering, fine art, sculpture, print design, car design, product design, textiles, fashion and lots more.

The guidance for childminders says children should attend just one setting wherever possible & childminders should consider how they can work with parents to manage drop offs to reduce the need for a provider to travel with groups of children.

Our school have said our childminder cannot bring children to/from the school gate if they are all in different bubbles as then they are mixing bubbles at the childminders house.

So we are currently having to pay for a childminder that we cannot use! Despite the fact that our 2 children (who are in different bubbles at school) will mix once they come home after school anyway. It’s completely stupid!

If the bubble system remains in September I don’t know what we’ll do.

Surely with siblings though it is ok as they are the same household?

Someone mentioned the students just stay in the class and teacher comes to them. They will just have to piss out certain parts.

Well that’s chemistry gone. Need to use the Science labs. Without all the art resources what’s the point in offering Art? They do have more than a couple of coloured pencils, a bit of paint and a couple of rubbers like primary school.
Then oops that’s all the tech options gone - not enough work benches, computers, etc.
PE looks like it will go for many schools.

Drama and music what’s the point without the performances. History and geography require trips, virtual experiences aren’t the same beciase well it’s just watching the tv. RE might be allowed oh but the trips.

Basically left with Math, English, biology and physics.
Now work out a time table for a year with 8 classes of 30. Each lesson has several different sets. They rarely see their form tutors peers other than first thing in the morning.

And assemblies aren’t important? Since when? Or do they only apply when parents/carers get an invite. The teens who I’ve come into contact with enjoy them - celebrations of achievements, guest speakers, talking about society issues such as poverty, racism, exploitation etc.

@Wraparoundq

Surely with siblings though it is ok as they are the same household?

Well... No? Because the link the bubbles together. If their parent gets covid they could potentially spread it to 30 children instead of 15. If you have 3 kids that 45 and so on and so on.

This is why it's pointless.

Our school are doing assemblies electronically. I understand it’s a shame some things like science practicles will go but surely this is about offering as much as we are able to at this time. Much preferable to the current situation. Some of the things you mention like chemistry can at least be shown over video even if the student can’t be hands on. Not ideal but better than them all sat at home. Also this is not a long term situation, just about making the best of what we have to work with.

And of course assemblies would be used to talk about this situation. How it’s affected the school community as well as the local community. Their families and of course remembrance from those who have died.

Those awful announcements about the death of one of the pupils or staff. Pastoral care ready to help them get through. All the hugs, and yes secondary school staff are allowed to comfort distressed students.

How many congregate in the toilets to have those moments of support with their peers?

Unless SD ends all this and more will seize. All the usual coping methods we all used at times will be gone. They will have to remain bottled up.

And toilet time slots? Females will habe to get their menstrual cycles to work in time with their allocated slot? The boy with IBS, have to sort out the same cooperation with his body?

"History and geography require trips, virtual experiences aren’t the same beciase well it’s just watching the tv*

They require trips? Christ.

I managed to get an a* in a history GCSE solely based on 1940s Nazi Germany without visiting it.

If that's the attitude then there is no hope.