No plans for schools but plans for the priority order of a non existant vaccine..

[Crockodoodle]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8436999/Health-workers-50s-Brits-heart-kidney-disease-Covid-19-vaccine-first.html

Words fail me

Why do words fail you?

I think schools should be back, but with the shortage of Teachers and the amount of older relatives who do childcare, these two things run parallel.

If it was up to the government, schools would be back. We are watching other countries who haven't had an increase from schools returning, but we have done a good job of scaring people, so people aren't going to easily comply with a full return to normal.

I feel slightly alarmed to be in the priority group as over 50. My whole department are over 50 and we work in a school - I wasn’t aware we were all so at risk?

I’m as horrified at the school situ as the next person but to be honest, very relieved they d got some kinda vaccine plan! I’d much rather they were ready to go when/if one becomes available! It’ll be our key to normality! I doubt it took them that long to put together, even I could have worked out the order they’ve gone for!

The schools announcement is due tomorrow at the briefing.

Vaccine does exist. Just going through trials now. Might not be perfect, but just needs to be good enough to get us out of this mess.

If Gavin does the briefing tomorrow it will probably just cover the summer catch up schemes rather than other important educational stuff like why the laptops for vulnerable year 10s haven't been distributed and how much planning he's been doing for September so everybody gets as much time at school as possible.

If the vaccine is anything like the track and trace it's never going to happen.

LuckyMarmiteLover, us over 50's, don't bounce back as younger people do, more of us will need help from the NHS from all flu and we make up a large part of the paid and unpaid workforce.

But the risk factors start from 45+.

"If the vaccine is anything like the track and trace it's never going to happen."

The UK is good at vaccination programmes. We have quite a good safety record of storing and moving pharmaceuticals. So it won't be a fiasco because of relying on technology and people's compliance, as the T&T has been.

Well Hancock is an arse, because if they were really protecting the most vulnerable first, they would start with those shielding. That list of priorities really doesn't cover them

But I can see why vaccine planning is a priority

Because that's the way to actually halt the pandemic so everything gets back to normal. Yes it's risky, because we are still learning about the nature and duration of immunity. But if it comes good, the benefits are so huge. Not an area to ignore.

And it's a totally different bit of government that wouid be dealing with each issue, so no reason why they shouldn't be parallel activities, on unrelated timelines

Yes, it's a bit shit that a 45 year old living with cancer, or a twenty-something with severe asthma, or many other shielded children and adults won't get the vaccine, even when perfectly heathy 50 year olds can.

They're not even starting with the 'flu jab' group FFS

Crockodoodle you don't believe vaccines are real or you wish they were not?
There are of course plans for both and explanations for why we did things in a certain order. Some people sadly are unable to take the information in so are left bewildered.

*nether

Well Hancock is an arse, because if they were really protecting the most vulnerable first, they would start with those shielding. That list of priorities really doesn't cover them*

I think they will soon be throwing shielding to the wolves. Taking away support and giving them more freedom.

Bold fail

nether Well Hancock is an arse, because if they were really protecting the most vulnerable first, they would start with those shielding. That list of priorities really doesn't cover them

Hancock didn't decide the priority list, it was decided by the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation, based on those most at risk. Over 50s and those with heart and kidney disease are an example, it's not an exhaustive list.

scaevola Yes, it's a bit shit that a 45 year old living with cancer, or a twenty-something with severe asthma, or many other shielded children and adults won't get the vaccine, even when perfectly heathy 50 year olds can.

You're misreading the article. It says, 'for example'.
including, for example, adults over the age of 50 and those with heart and kidney disease.
They haven't provided the full list of those who will get it first.

There is actually a webpage with loadsa info on. NHS & Care staff go first. I think this is correct. Then the clinically most vulnerable & so forth. They aren’t too sure about where children fit in yet. It’s not a definite list & it’s not put together by Matt Hancock!

And, if this vaccine comes off, it won’t be that hard to get a huge number of people vaccinated. They can roll it out to schools, offices, doctors surgeries, hospitals, pharmacies, even the already set up drive through test centres could change to bring vaccine centres..

www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi/interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination

Here’s the actual info rather than the bloody Daily Fail 🤦🏼‍♀️

If a shielded person with a heart issue say gets the vaccine as 2nd priority - do the people they live with need it as a priority or not?

DH is very high risk and a key worker (working from home). This is fine, but I never understand why they don’t vaccinate the whole household when someone is high risk. Vaccines aren’t perfect.

Slightly off topic but with the announcement that the track and trace app is now not ready and needs further development (it feels like it's being sidelined) do we think the vaccine is definitely more imminent? Hearing about the groups to be vaccinated first is like putting the feelers out already? I do believe healthcare workers and anyone in a public facing role should be prioritised.

onedayinthefuture I think the signs are good.

I would think not. As if the shielded person has been vaccinated and it works, it won't matter if their families get it - they can't pass it to them.

@Ellmau

I would think not. As if the shielded person has been vaccinated and it works, it won't matter if their families get it - they can't pass it to them.

That's not strictly true, no vaccine is 100 per cent effective. So ideally you want as many people vaccinated as possible as that breaks chains of infection - you are then protected in 2 ways: hopefully you have immunity via the vaccine, but you also are less likely to come into contact with an infected person.

The government has never defined clinical risk by the groups mentioned.

I suppose it couid just be appalling DM reporting.

But if the government mean the groups it has defined as highest risk (shielded, them 'flu jab' vulnerable) then it is easy to say so.

Becase it's wrong to be reporting priority to a lower risk group, whilst ignoring those known to be at substantial higher risk.

There are however, with new vaccines, sometimes good reasons to not begin with those living with certain other conditions and the pregnant, but those reasons also extend to the elderly. If an initial group were being chosen be they were the lower risk guinea pig first wave, that could also easily be reported.

Following on from an earlier poster, the airbrushing out of the most vulnerable 'shielded' population from policy discussions - look at how the update originally due w/c 15/06 is still expected 'shortly', and the absence of consideration for shielded pupils in schooling matters - is reaching a concerning level.

It’s in the Daily Fail. Read the actual information.

But yes, I am incredibly angry that effort is not being put into creating a plan for schools. Our children have had their lives blown apart for the last 3 months, with no promise of any improvements to come. The failure of children and young people will be the true disgrace when we look back.