Is coronavirus actually as bad as this claims? Surely we'd of heard more about that?

[YellowEllis]

I was finally becoming relatively relaxed, but I find this very alarming?

This is hysterical rubbish. Some people will have a bad outcome. Some people have bad outcomes from flu too. I don't believe she has any expertise on this at all, not any medical training to be frank.

What's your (verifiable) expertise and medical training, Moondust001? Because it seems to be a pretty uncontroversial consensus amongst medical professionals (and certainly amongst the ones who saw me in hospital) that covid as a disease is one of the weirdest, most unpredictable, difficult to diagnose and treat diseases any of them have seen, with a very wide range of patient responses from "fine" to "dead" and everything in between.

@Orangeblossom78

but she is an ICU nurse

How do you know that? Where does she work then

And honestly, I would expect any ICU nurse to know that posting stuff like this can get her disciplined or sacked. It's not the case that nobody has awful outcomes, but this is feeding public hysteria and definitely not helping the NHS. Funny though that when you check her feed, the only "indication" that she might be a nurse at all looks remarkably like someone in fancy dress gear. I suspect this is someone who wants to be a social influencer trading on "clapping for the NHS" to boost her profile which, as she says herself, was nowhere at the beginning of the pandemic.

'may need a lung transplant' seems an odd emphasis unless they were trying to contradict someone else saying something silly and I'm not sure the language chimes with them being a HCP.

If you've health anxiety, I'd carry on with the recommended precautions for your location around hand washing, face covering and so on but try not to worry (easy to say, I know).

@peekaboob

My next door neighbour has had a mild case. Currently on week 6 and has been given an inhaler, never having needed one in his life before. He's just been signed off work for a further two weeks.

Not a mild case then.

People die or are made seriously ill every year from illnesses which most people shrug off. Chickenpox is considerably more dangerous to children than Covid appears to be but we don’t even vaccinate our children.

Of course some people will be badly affected but it seems to be a very small number thankfully. These posts sounds like scaremongering from someone who only sees the minority of badly affected patients. Not a true representation at all.

COvid 19 turns out to have a number of far reaching and devastating outcomes, that seem to be based on the strange symptom called sticky blood that leads to pulmonary embolism, heart attacks, kidney failure, stroke. Former military hospitals are being reopened to provide rehabilitation for people so weakened they can't function. People in intensive care for 50 pr 60 days. People put into medical comas who then are hard to revive.

And still people say covid19 is just like having a bad dose of flu. For a very signfcant number of patients it an illness that is still not understood, that can and does affect almost every organ in the body and for which long term prognosis is unclear.

It’s been in the papers for ages that it can take months to recover, that it can affect blood, heart and lungs, it’s not new information

But this is why I get cross with those not following guidelines ( which appears a lot in MN) because that’s what will cause a rise

@ArcheryAnnie

This is hysterical rubbish. Some people will have a bad outcome. Some people have bad outcomes from flu too. I don't believe she has any expertise on this at all, not any medical training to be frank.

What's your (verifiable) expertise and medical training, Moondust001? Because it seems to be a pretty uncontroversial consensus amongst medical professionals (and certainly amongst the ones who saw me in hospital) that covid as a disease is one of the weirdest, most unpredictable, difficult to diagnose and treat diseases any of them have seen, with a very wide range of patient responses from "fine" to "dead" and everything in between.

Well nothing could be verified on MumsNet, as you very well know, but actually I am a medical doctor. And I don't disagree with you - in fact what I said was that there were some bad outcomes (and actually, a hell of a lot more good ones and many where people don't know they even have it!). But it is very definitely utter rubbish to say that Covid is designed to kill. It is (a) not designed at all and (b) like most efficient viruses, it is specifically not a killer. Any virus "designed to kill" will burn itself out in less than no time. The evidence of every single medical professional and scientist says that the vast majority of people infected recover and recover fully. That isn't to say that happens for everyone, but it is the case for the majority. So it isn't a killer disease. Enough facts for you?

I know two people that had it back in March both in there 30’s both incredibly fit (runners etc) & healthy the woman is still suffering from fatigue and breathlessness when doing day to day tasks the male is currently back in hospital with complications after being released over a month ago!

[quote Juliet2014]@peekaboob

My next door neighbour has had a mild case. Currently on week 6 and has been given an inhaler, never having needed one in his life before. He's just been signed off work for a further two weeks.

Not a mild case then.[/quote]
Anyone that doesn't need inpatient hospital treatment is classed as "mild"

Yes, I know three people who were previously fit and healthy, aged 28/35/41 who have had it and been seriously ill for three months plus, can barely walk around their house, had pleurisy, d&v, severe fatigue, shivers, heart attack like symptoms...

It's not a binary outcome of really old/vulnerable and die of it versus easily recover in a week like a bad cold/mild flu. There are many, many cases in between in which people are really, really ill, there's basically no treatment and they don't know when they'll be well again.

It's totally new.

Yep. Known about the blood thickening thing for a while. Read accounts from people on front line.

I thought that in some people their underlying conditions were not well controlled for example diabetes and that actually caused these problems rather than the virus itself. More how the body responded in an unusual way, due to underlying health and conditions meaning the immune response did not work normally.

The vast majority of those dying had 2 or 3 underlying health conditions.

And yes people get post viral fatigue after all sorts of viruses, such as glandular fever for example.

You equated covid to flu, Moondust, which really does make me doubt your medical credentials.

(For the record, I don't think covid is "designed" to do anything. It's not sentient, it's a virus. And I have said that there's a wide range of outcomes.)

For heavens sake, no need to speculate, it's easy to go and check. I've just looked her up on Twitter. She's in the States.

A friend of mine had it, recovered from it, and has developed a long term lung condition as a direct result of it. His lungs are now horribly scarred. He was in good health prior to catching it.

So while it might not kill everyone who catches it, it can have long term consequences. Also, it affects everyone differently, and I think this is the concern, that it’s hard to predict the ramifications of it.

Oh that makes it OK if she is on Twitter then thank goodness for that!

I feel so much more trusting of her post now (not)

And yes people get post viral fatigue after all sorts of viruses, such as glandular fever for example.

Post-covid complications are way, waaaay more extensive and complicated than "post viral fatigue". Ask me how I know!

I did know about that. Most people make a full recovery but a few have been left with permanent damage, not just of the lung, sometimes kidneys. The unfortunate people will be a small percentage of those afflicted but we mustn't underestimate the beast.

I note she describes herself as a

Authenticity advocate

on Twitter. Interesting, again so professional for a HCP. Liked the gun illustration heading her profile too

* Anyone that doesn't need inpatient hospital treatment is classed as "mild"*

@lyralalala

** Mild COVID-19

The virus affects mainly your upper respiratory tract, primarily the large airways. Key symptoms are temperature, with or without cough.

Patients with mild illness have flu-like symptoms. These may include dry cough and mild fever, but the fever may not reach 37.8°C, and there may sometimes be little or even no cough. Patients might notice a feeling of being a bit more breathless than normal on exercise, but they are not out of breath on normal household activity.

patient.info/news-and-features/coronavirus-what-are-asymptomatic-and-mild-covid-19

No I don't think I can face it Annie. Sorry.

I don't believe she has any expertise on this at all, not any medical training to be frank. Ignore it and stop depending on unreliable social media for advice. You may as well listen to Donald Trump if you want to believe ridiculous things.

Will these do?

But the focus on deaths from a second wave may miss the real toll of the virus: the long-term damage it can cause to the lungs, heart, kidneys, brain and even blood vessels among those who recover. This is emerging as one of the horrors of Covid-19. - Chair of Global Public Health, Ediburgh University

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/11/pandemic-scientists-second-wave-coronavirus

“COVID-19 is not just a respiratory disorder,” said Dr. Harlan Krumholz, a cardiologist at Yale University. “It can affect the heart, the liver, the kidneys, the brain, the endocrine …Krumholz, who organized a meeting of cardiologists to discuss COVID-19 this week, said the infection can cause damage to the heart and the sac that encases it. Some patients develop heart failure and/or arrhythmias during the disease’s acute phase.
www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-04-10/coronavirus-infection-can-do-lasting-damage-to-the-heart-liver

Professor Tim Spector of King’s College heads the team which has developed the UK’s biggest symptom tracking app and believes the long-term impact of the virus is being underestimated.

“The Government is telling people that this is just like the flu and only checking on a few symptoms, but it’s not at all like the flu,” he told the Telegraph.

Describing Covid-19 as one of the “strangest diseases I’ve ever come across”, Prof Spector is concerned that we are “underestimating” the virus by failing to collect comprehensive data on long-term, milder symptoms charted in the graphic below.

www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/revealed-long-term-severe-effects-covid-19-can-go-months/

The problem is that the virus hasn't been around long enough to track the long-term impact and some after-effects not immediately obvious. Like the doctor in New York who had a mild case at home, but a few weeks later felt faint, then was found to have heart damage...

elemental.medium.com/coronavirus-may-be-a-blood-vessel-disease-which-explains-everything-2c4032481ab2

www.physoc.org/news_article/expert-reaction-to-high-proportion-of-blood-clotting-in-covid-19-patients/