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Over 70 year old returning to risky job?

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curiouschickpea · 15/06/2020 11:17

My Mum is a 'young', active, pretty fit 77. She has worked in a supermarket for around 10 years now and loves it; she still works full-time and has no intention of retiring, and is I suppose a bit of a workaholic. She also loves the social aspect, and has made lots of friends there (staff and customers).

Her and my Dad have been following the rules for over 70’s to the letter since the start; only going out for a daily walk. I have been doing their shopping and delivering it to their garden etc. I know that being at home has been hard on her as she’s been very bored, and doesn’t like being stuck at home.

She has now announced that she is returning to work in a couple of weeks. My initial reaction is to be absolutely terrified for her safety, upset and actually furious, but I just can’t work out if I’m over-reacting.

My parents certainly don’t need the money. She would have the option of being furloughed for a few more weeks which I (and a couple of my siblings have agreed) would be a really sensible way to go, just to see what happens virus-wise over the next few weeks. I’m so torn – I know that her mental health is starting to suffer, and her argument is that she’s going stir crazy at home, but so are a lot of people, including me (although I am working full time), and so I want her to be happy, but I also don’t want her to catch the virus, with a much higher chance of it being serious because of her age. The store she works in isn’t very well run and frankly I don’t trust the management to do enough to keep her safe. I’ve shopped there and it didn’t even feel particularly safe for me as a shopper.

Since restrictions have eased, we’ve had my parents over in the garden (socially distanced) for a meal, we’ve been to theirs, other family have visited, we’re having a socially distanced garden event for Father’s Day and my Dad’s upcoming birthday, so it isn’t as if she’s not seeing anyone or having social interaction. Aside from being scared for her health, I also feel she’s being selfish for various reasons – surely working in a supermarket daily brings a risk home to my Dad who is a similar age, and also if restrictions were eased further, I’m not sure how many of us (the family) would want to get too close to Mum as surely we’ll all be put at greater risk? If she were to catch the virus and be seriously ill, it would be heart-breaking if it was for the sake of waiting a few more weeks at home. I checked this morning and the official guidance is still that over 70’s, even if fit and well should ‘minimise contact with others outside their household’. Serving hundreds of people in a shop every day doesn’t seem to fit this advice!

I’m feeling so anxious about the situation and can’t stop thinking about it, and can’t decide whether to be honest/open with her and try to dissuade her with the above arguments, or just accept that she is an adult and can make her own decisions and live with my own fears/worries for the foreseeable future? (she knows I’m not happy, but we haven’t had a full discussion about it). Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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ElizabethMainwaring · 15/06/2020 11:25

Hello.
I understand your worries, I would feel exactly the same.
I wonder what her employers think? I doubt if they are expecting her to return?
I have a family member who is a teacher in a primary school. She is in her forties and her husband is over 70 with no health issues at all. The school have said that they don't want her to return yet.

curiouschickpea · 15/06/2020 11:29

@ElizabethMainwaring thanks. Apparently the store has contacted her, and are quite happy to have her back (in fact wanted her to start in a few days).

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Mrsjayy · 15/06/2020 11:30

I don't think her work will expect her back yet will they ? Maybe she is just being hopeful and it is something to look forward to her own personal goal.

AudacityOfHope · 15/06/2020 11:30

I understand your concern but your mum I obviously extremely aware of the danger and is choosing to take the calculated risk.

curiouschickpea · 15/06/2020 11:31

@Mrsjayy they contacted her to ask her back!

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ElizabethMainwaring · 15/06/2020 11:32

Oh dear. I think that you do need to have the discussion, but I know that you are prepared for her to go to work anyway.
What does your dad think?
Also, she might not enjoy it as she previously did due to the restrictions and change her mind.

Mrsjayy · 15/06/2020 11:32

Ah right well she is a grown up I honestly think this is her choice despite your worry.

curiouschickpea · 15/06/2020 11:33

@AudacityOfHope yes I agree. I can't help wondering how she would feel though if I was going to do something quite risky and a bit foolhardy, that also put others at risk..... (she's a big worrier, and worries every time I drive anywhere, despite being in my 40's!).

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ElizabethMainwaring · 15/06/2020 11:36

This is another cock up regarding government advice and 'common sense'.
As you say, the guidance says over 70s should have minimal contact.
Is your mum aware of this? Or the company?

ElizabethMainwaring · 15/06/2020 11:40

I've just reread your original post.
What you say about the state of the store does sound very worrying.
What safety measures are they taking?

ohthegoats · 15/06/2020 11:45

My 75 year old dad is back at work too, my 74 year old mum never stopped. Honestly, it's scary and they are irritating, but they are also adults. We've tried not to be annoyed at them!!

curiouschickpea · 15/06/2020 11:49

@ElizabethMainwaring I haven't discussed the current guidance with Mum. When I asked her why she was thinking of going back, she said 'Because I can', presumably meaning that she can in the eyes of her employer. She hasn't even mentioned whether she's asked any questions about safety measures. I get the feeling that at the moment, she's thinking mostly of the opportunity to change the current situation, and possibly not so much the bigger picture.

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Reedshoes · 15/06/2020 11:50

I’m sorry but if I was 77, I would not want to be locked away not allowed out.

I’d rather take my chances and make the most of my life. I may get hit by a bus tomorrow or find out I have cancer.

Yes she might catch but at least she was doing something she enjoyed and was worthwhile. She’s living her life to the fullest. IMO at that age, that’s better than living an extra few years stuck in doors and not enjoying it!

Reedshoes · 15/06/2020 11:51

I do see your concern though OP

curiouschickpea · 15/06/2020 11:53

@ohthegoats that's interesting, thanks. Are they 'risky' environments? I would feel a lot happier of she was going to sit in an office with one or two others, rather than a busy counter in a large supermarket.

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curiouschickpea · 15/06/2020 11:56

@thanks Reedshoes. I'm trying to see it from that perspective too, but I'm clouded by my worries I suppose. Also, it isn't as if she's locked away - as per my post, we're doing family socially distanced socialising, and she could probably start popping in to the small local shops now etc too, where she could have a chat etc, which would be far less risky?

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Nihiloxica · 15/06/2020 11:59

So she has a job that makes her happy and she wants to go back to it and her employer want her back and her mental health is suffering from being off work at home for so long.

But her children want her to accept the risk to her mental health because it will make life "safer" and more comfortable for them.

You don't stay a "young active and pretty fit" 77 year old by staying at home and only seeing your family from a distance.

She is right to protect her health from.the dangers of extended lockdown. There are a lot of things can kill you at 77.

hazelnutlatte · 15/06/2020 12:01

My 81 year old FIL returns to work today as a cleaner for the NHS. He is bored out of his mind at home and likes to keep active.
He is happy that he will be kept as safe as possible. He works in the early morning when there is no one else around, and he will be provided with PPE. To me I think it's risky but it's his choice. Tbh I think his employer wants him to retire but he has no intention of doing so!

curiouschickpea · 15/06/2020 12:03

@Nihiloxica thanks for the viewpoint. This is why I posted, to garner others opinions.

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Reedshoes · 15/06/2020 12:04

@curious

I know it must be so frustrating because you want her to be around for as long as possible, of course you do.

The other thing is, I’ve seen before when people leave work/retire and they seem to age faster (mentally not physically). It’s almost as if work keeps them young. So even if she did listen to you, she might change and not be the vibrant young thing she is now 😉

BlackPuddingEggs · 15/06/2020 12:09

I would be interested to see how insurance and pension companies would view this if someone over 70 caught and died of corona due to their work. Would they somehow try and get out of any death in service type payouts?

One of the reasons independent schools can’t open is because their insurers won’t cover them if they go against guidance- even if they have the space and facilities to make it safe (because they have higher staff to pupil ratio and bigger sites) Why are supermarkets insurers viewing this any differently.

viques · 15/06/2020 12:11

I am facing a similar dilemma, except I am the one not sure about working. I am an older person and do voluntary reception work for a charity. So random people coming in, service users coming in, permanent staff and other volunteers coming in, taking in donations for charity shops, receiving parcels and post, counting donated money etc etc.

Even if screens etc are in place I would not be in control of my own environment as I have been during lockdown and I don't trust other people's judgement enough to risk my health. I would not be able to wear a mask all day, it would drive me crazy. Ironically because of the nature of the place most of the people coming in are probably more aware of distancing and sanitising requirements than in many other workplaces, but I feel the risk is too great.

I have been careful to keep safe for three months, I think it would be irresponsible to risk exposure now . Maybe if things improve I will think about returning in September, but not at the moment.

I think your mum should reconsider and hold off returning for a while.

feelingverylazytoday · 15/06/2020 12:12

I don't blame her to be honest.
Social interaction is very important for elderly people, without it they can become depressed, stop eating properly, stop exercising, just generally lose motivation to look after themselves.
It's lovely that you've been taking care of your parents but I think you have to respect that it's not enough for your Mum. She wants her life back and she's prepared to take the risks.

ohthegoats · 15/06/2020 12:15

Are they 'risky' environments?

My dad, yes. And he is on blood thinners, had clots on his lungs last year. Can't tell him, so have given up trying. Mum not so much - in and out of people's houses, but short term and could ask them to be out/keep away.

viques · 15/06/2020 12:15

And yes, I really miss working, I enjoy the social aspects as well as the feeling that I am contributing to society by volunteering (oh dear, smug face emoticon requires).

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