If you are outside the UK, what's your opinion on our governments handling of corona virus?

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How do you think we've done so far?
Do you look at the UK and think we've done well, or badly?
We don't hear much about how we look to other countries, hence me asking here.
Can you also state where you live?

Italy under fire by it’s citizens also:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thejakartapost.com/amp/news/2020/06/11/families-of-covid-victims-in-hard-hit-italian-city-seek-judicial-probe.html

This will be a depressing thread. Scanned it but knew what it would say.

@TheCanterburyWhales it’s interesting you’re horrified as Italy was always our benchmark for hospital chaos and one of our only sources of pride is that we haven’t been overrun and the nhs has coped very well with the patients compared to Italy (no patients denied ITU beds etc.)

I live smack bang in the middle of the Tory shires with not a labour ward for many miles. I have not come across anyone who does not think the response by the government has been absolutely shambolic. Given the huge death toll, it would be difficult to argue otherwise, whatever your political views.

But Boris said he is proud of his record, the man's deluded

How did no definitely the actual Tory voters (we are a massively diverse socio economic tone) and lot fuelled by having the AG as an MP, the Cummings clause and lack of any response to her constituents emails.
You probably are on to something re the MC Tory voters.
But they also are not the best group to totally stonewall because they call your actions to account

Honestly looks like a clusterfuck. Delayed action when aware of what was happening in Italy & Spain, the arrogance of Boris, Cummings, lack of track and trace, quarantine introduced just recently.... (I mean wtaf)....to be fair its a worldwide clusterfuck, I think I just had higher expectations of GB.
Am watching from Aus, DH is British so of course we follow the news, horrified at uk government, so so many sad deaths....

The point about Italy is that we had nothing to look at and go "oh, maybe that will happen here, perhaps we should do something"

The UK did.

My Aunt was denied an ITU bed. In the UK. She died.

Italians weren't denied ITU beds initially, which was why Lombardia's hospitals were overrun. Patients were in the early days airlifted to the south and to Germany.

Italy also acted too late and underwent a perfect storm. A major international business region, a German patient zero they couldn't locate, a young fit patient 1 who was a superspreader, two Chinese tourists the first documented cases (so the usual "it's a Chinese thing, won't affect us" mentality) A central govt unwilling to lockdown it's money making region etc etc.

Absolutely the families of the first victims in Lombardia are protesting, and quite rightly. There is already a criminal inquiry underway into carehome deaths.

I presume in due course the same will happen in the UK.

I presume in due course the same will happen in the UK

I couldn’t agree more. All countries with high infection/death rates needs to take a long hard look at what actions could have saved lives and prevented the damage levels we have seen.

There’s no doubt that many of the decisions of countries like the UK, Italy, and Spain will have been initially taken to protect economies. In addition I sincerely the truth emerges re China as I honestly believe their failure to disclose what was happening has caused catastrophic damage.

The UK is not the only country to messed up.

Our Norweigian friends are aghast at how things have panned out in the UK. We are a laughing stock - not that this is a laughing matter. But then they think that about a lot of things in the UK not just the handling of Covid 19.

I have family living overseas small island don’t want to say more as its outing and they are absolutely shocked by how the UK has handled this. In terms of not locking down soon enough, lack if track and trace from the early days, not having a stricter lock down and all the scenes of the British people flouting lock down on the beaches and the footage of the GF protesters in large cities. I have to agree with them. They had hardly any cases and took lockdown very seriously.

Canterbury that's so true re our "NHs wasn't overwhelmed". What hasn't yet come out and I've experienced and heard many others report is that during time of lockdown and as we approached peak 111 was overwhelmed. On hold for hours. Cut off. Online system crashing.
We also had the triage of who would be offered a ICU bed. Care homes reporting being sent DNR letters to pass to residents. People receiving DNR letters from GPS if they were high high risk.

It's so easy not to overwhelm a system if the gatekeepers keep people out of the system.

It's so easy not to overwhelm a system if the gatekeepers keep people out of the system

I do wonder if many untested people died at home in April / May and are not counted in the official stats.

I live in London and have relatives all over the place. Totally agree the Government have been pretty rubbish but I do get slightly irritated when friends and family abroad go on about how everyone in the UK is breaking lockdown etc etc. The vast vast majority of people round where I live have been sticking to the rules and it’s the same where my parents live and other friends and relatives. The pictures of the packed beaches etc did not reflect most of what was going on.
I suppose what I’m trying to say is please don’t think that just because our government has been rubbish, we all have been!

The thing is people are always triaged for ITU beds even if the whole department is empty. It’s sad but it’s incredibly expensive to keep someone ventilated and a risk/benefit analysis is done for everyone. Most patients in nursing homes have a DNR from the GP or a treatment limitation plan anyway so would never make it to ITU with seasonal flu etc. We never actually ran out of beds for people who were eligible for beds.

Having said that I completely agree that the government has failed us. We have neither protected the ill and vulnerable nor the economy. Sadly the youngest in the society seem to be bearing the brunt with no schools opening but pubs, primark and Alton towers set to open soon. Ridiculous

That is astonishing.
The govt here has done a U turn on nightclubs etc opening a D put it back till 14/7. It was going to be this weekend.

Lemons I think the sheer number of excess deaths over and above those reported as a) positive through a test and b) suspected and have CV mentioned on birth certificate shows this.
I don't believe they are all from people not seeking help for stroke and cardiac arrest etc.
Also remembering other etchings such as knife crime, pub brawls resulting in death and RTAs were also in decline during this period.

And I suspect some excess deaths from stroke and cardiac arrest would of been not getting ambulance quick enough to to the system being overwhelmed.

I think the government need to stop seeing an enquiry as an attack on them personally and start seeing it as a way to plan future services, priority of spending, public health measures etc.

Knowledge is power.

Nap I'm wary of believing everything in the MSM media but there was reports they changed the criteria for getting an icu bed at the beginning. So people who would usually be triaged as it being beneficial didn't even get past triage.
I remember it included criteria such as requiring care for x amount of hours a day.

@itsgettingweird they definitely reviewed the criteria (I’m a nurse and most of my nurse friends and colleagues ended up being drafted to ITU) but from what they said I think they were still sensibly triaging certainly not refusing care to people based solely on age or a single risk factor etc. Who knows though!

The es just nothing positive to say about the UK handling of this

Depressing.

@user1471432735 but i dont believe the figures.
The system of recording deaths is archaic, and apparently, in Care Homes, they don't even need a doctor to sign, so everything is being put down to Covid, and they definitely have not all been tested.
I live in London, and still don't know anyone who has had the virus.

I'm not in the UK. I can't get over how people are tolerating the lies, upon lies, upon lies and how thousands of their family, friends and neighbours are dying as a result. Everytime Johnson comes up on the news here I want to reach through the screen and throttle him. I would be terrified living in the UK now with him in charge.

It's still far too early to judge which country took the best approach. The UK government have always been clear a lot of people will die and lockdown was to prevent the NHS being over burdened. The time to judge will be in 12 months not now.

The impact is not just covid related deaths - it's all the deaths, poverty and economic devastation caused by lockdown.

Has the financial support for businesses been comparable in other countries? Can they access low interest rate loans and furlough their staff? Did other countries continue treating cancer patients?

Their opinions are just going to be based on the information they are fed and given access to, which hopefully doesn't come from mumsnet.

Everyone has a different outlook I guess, but I would not agree with some pp that it has all been shit and handled terribly.

Natutally though people are far more likely to complain about things though than give praise - many studies have shown this. Which means sites like these are always going to portray a heavily negative image which is not reflective of the overall opinion.