So what are the bloody rules today?

[SouthWestmom]

Mum just messaged to say I had to choose between her and pil.

Thought we could meet up with anyone as a six if we stayed apart.

Schools for Y10 and Y12 now not offering anything except an hour a week.

Someone can stay over?

We have so many statistics being published on a daily basis regarding the groups most affected by covid 19. It’s fairly easy to weigh up the risks to our own families based on our age, health and infection rate in our local area.

Anecdotally I have two friends whose husbands contracted covid 19, wives and children had no symptoms despite living under the same roof. As a fit healthy woman in my 30s I prefer to take my chances. The likelihood of me contracting it where I live let alone requiring medical treatment are currently low.

This is what I don't get 'the risks are high' and yet the bloody pubs are going to be opened. And BJ told us to have bbqs in gardens. There is just no way people won't use the loo after a drink for example.

Good point dd can move houses. To be fair, she would be with one or other of us anyway and doesn't go anywhere due to her depression.

It might be a pointless concession to you @byvirtue but it means we can see our DS for the first time since February. It's not all about grandparents and families don't always live just round the corner. Though I do agree with you about the two grandparents living together, but I think this is to help the millions of people who live alone and need some proper human contact after 12 weeks

The problem with that approach @byvirtue is that you as a fit healthy woman will in all likelihood get through a bout of CV fine.

You won't know you have it for the first few days though so if your risk assessment is that you're fine to go to as many shops as you like, to visit with as many family members as you feel comfortable with....how many people will you infect and will they all be fit, healthy people with a low risk of dying from CV?

@Noeuf the pubs are t opens ing until 4th July at the earliest if we meet the requirements to move to that stage.

The papers have been making guesses that pubs might open earlier than that but the briefings yesterday and today have stated that the original roadmap date still stands.

And pubs will still enforce social distancing and will be outside only.

Technically our household could form a bubble with my Mum who lives alone BUT she is a fit and active 67 year old who has been working throughout, in a household of adults with learning disabilities, so surely that would be mixing two bubbles?

Wow, sorry for typos, that should say 'the pubs aren't opening...'

Oh thanks Torys
I've stopped watching the conferences as it was not helping my blood pressure.

So:

Face mask on public transport (just London?)

Six people max outside but 2m apart

Divorce dh, get mum and dd round

Can still go to provide care to vulnerable person? (Could get mum down to help me with kid...)

Pubs 4th July

Work - from home but generally if it's open go to work/work from home

@byvirtue

'Another pointless concession, what difference for example does it make for one single grand parent to form a bubble with a family yet two grandparents living together can’t form the same bubble. It’s fucking ridiculous but then I’ve given up following the rules now and just make my own risk assessment."
I think that people who live alone won't consider this pointless.The PM has done this because those who live alone could be very isolated and lonely. Two grandparents living together have each other for company. It is great news for those who live alone.

Face covering on buses, coaches, tubes and trains everywhere in England.

Why are you moaning about BJ saying it's ok to have BBQs in the garden for? You still have to Social distance, take your own cutlery etc. The scientists have said there is less risk outside as long as you social distance. It isn't mandatory. You don't have to have a BBQ if you don't want one.

Doesn't hold any logic tbh

It does. It's for single people, who live alone, who haven't had another adult to hug for 11 weeks If you don't live alone you already have someone to talk to/hug. & until the R goes down extending that to more people is not wise.

It's also not compulsory, so if you don't NEED to do it, then don't.

I live alone, my DP is currently pissed off with me because I won't let him 'bubble'. I love him and I miss him, but just because Boris has said we're allowed to see each other, it doesn't make him any less risk to me (he comes into contact with a lot of people)

I hope people really think about It before doing this And make sure they're not putting anyone else at risk.

I’m so confused right now. As a childminder I can open my doors to have other children in my house but not let my mum in for a brew. I worry about trying to keep people safe then see gangs of 16 teenagers all together. My own 5yo says “they aren’t social distancing mummy” it’s so hard & so confusing. I weary of it.

Thanks everything on the covering not masks. You also say:

Why are you moaning about BJ saying it's ok to have BBQs in the garden for?

I'm not moaning so much as trying to understand - people having bbqs will not remember to socially distance and will have to use the loo if it's any sort of time and with drinks. It doesn't fit with the other stuff.

I’m so confused right now. As a childminder I can open my doors to have other children in my house but not let my mum in for a brew. I worry about trying to keep people safe then see gangs of 16 teenagers all together. My own 5yo says “they aren’t social distancing mummy” it’s so hard & so confusing. I weary of it.
Children are very low risk and having them cared for means parents can go back to work before the country goes down the drain.
If your mum lives alone then she can be in your support bubble.
Many teenagers have flouted the rules but that doesn't make it right nor is it the right example to follow.
I'm amazed that so many find it hard and confusing - 'lockdown' is gradually being eased so why can't people just be grateful and stop moaning?

@byvirtue

Another pointless concession, what difference for example does it make for one single grand parent to form a bubble with a family yet two grandparents living together can’t form the same bubble. It’s fucking ridiculous but then I’ve given up following the rules now and just make my own risk assessment.

Totally agree but so many people enjoy not thinking and having other people tell them what to do. Then they agonise over it with zero critical thinking skills whatsoever. Our education system is beyond dire.

@Noeuf

Thanks everything on the covering not masks. You also say:

Why are you moaning about BJ saying it's ok to have BBQs in the garden for?

I'm not moaning so much as trying to understand - people having bbqs will not remember to socially distance and will have to use the loo if it's any sort of time and with drinks. It doesn't fit with the other stuff.

Ok, you are showing signs of critical thinking and this is where the problem arises

These rules aren't logical. You seem to think they should be. The government doesn't give a shit, they just need to slowly change the rules and keep people happy at the same time. There's been moaning about how single people are disadvantaged so this is a way to look caring. They could have said 'everyone with red hair who likes swimming' can start mixing with one other person but 'those who have red hair like swimming and also play football' can mix with up to six people. It would have been the same. A few more people get to mix.
Priorities for the government

Stopping people blaming them - quick, make up rules and blame people who don't follow them

Keeping public opinion in their favour (miserable fail lately)

Getting people back to work

Stopping deaths reaching embarrassing levels (see points 1 and 2)

I think NoHardSell has it .

As far as I'm aware I think cleaners and nannies can now go back to work and into people's houses ,though I think it's recommended they walk or cycle there .

So I reckon Neoef's daughter will be fine to visit her so long as she does a little light dusting while there .

people having bbqs will not remember to socially distance
Why on earth not? We had my stepson and fiancé over for a bbq and kept the visit to 3 hours. No loo needed either.

You can go round anyone's house as long as it's for work.
You can be a cleaner, a carpet fitter or a prostitute.

As long as you are paid.

It's all a nonsense. Is anyone actually following these rules to the letter?

I went to work yesterday. 4 people in an office. We went back to my house afterwards for a drink. Both indoors events, both the same distance apart, different times of course as one was 7 hours, one was two hours. The clever little capitalist virus can tell, you see, if you are slacking off and just having fun (dangerous, banned, don't do it) , or working hard (safe, go ahead). We'll probably all die now.

Nohardsell

It is all a bit nuts when you put it like that.
Maybe I should just apply the principles and work out the detail myself.

I have no intention of doing any of the things like shopping for clothes/make up/ outdoor cinema as they all look utterly miserable with the arrows and distancing.

NoHardSell: when in the office, you would be wearing face masks if unable to be 2 metres apart, so there is a difference.

Can people try and make it clear when it’s England they’re referring to? The rules are different in Scotland, Wales and NI.

@florriepeck

NoHardSell: when in the office, you would be wearing face masks if unable to be 2 metres apart, so there is a difference.

Maybe you do, I didn't