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We need to rise up about the lack of education for our children

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Speeding201700 · 07/06/2020 09:54

Please do this. Please join the Twitter movement #usforthem
Please write to your MPs
Please talk about this.

Our children are missing out on their fundamental human right of an education.

The children of regular families are suffering (all 5 of mine are suffering desperately), but those in vulnerable families are suffering even further. The gap between these children will be HUGE

I am a teacher and a mother. I am ready to go back to work full time and with the 'old normal'. I am also type 1 diabetic.

Please help us rise up to get our children educated. Our children have been totally forgotten about. Throughout my career I've had it rammed down my throat about how school is a safe place for so many children. They don't care about these children now.

I am amazed so many people have just accepted this. It has gone on for too long now.

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Astabarista · 07/06/2020 16:04

@CuteOrangeElephant I very much agree with you there.

Raphanus3217 · 07/06/2020 16:05

So in a bubble of 30 their likelihood of getting it is doubled. So what. The likelihood is tiny anyway. We’re cleaning for England, they don’t share any equipment. Windows are open. If they get it they’re very unlikely to get ill. I work in a primary school and feel very safe, safer than when I do the food shop. I’d rather my dc had it younger anyway. If you don’t want your kids in keep them at home, plenty do, me included.

rawlikesushi · 07/06/2020 16:06

"Or we've looked at the statistics, followed the numbers, seen the damage to our own children and realised that it's doing more harm than good?"

Ah I didn't realise you'd researched the impact of returning children to schools on the rate of infection and numbers of deaths.

So you've studied all of this, even though it's only been six days and no data has been released yet?

The only bit I believe is that you've seen the impact on your own children.

You have no idea about the rest because no one does, yet, and it is therefore quite impossible to assert that keeping some year groups at home is doing 'more harm than good'.

Bollss · 07/06/2020 16:07

@rawlikesushi

"Or we've looked at the statistics, followed the numbers, seen the damage to our own children and realised that it's doing more harm than good?"

Ah I didn't realise you'd researched the impact of returning children to schools on the rate of infection and numbers of deaths.

So you've studied all of this, even though it's only been six days and no data has been released yet?

The only bit I believe is that you've seen the impact on your own children.

You have no idea about the rest because no one does, yet, and it is therefore quite impossible to assert that keeping some year groups at home is doing 'more harm than good'.

I quite clearly meant the infection and death rate so far.

Who are you thinking of then? The children? Clearly not.

ChippityDoDa · 07/06/2020 16:08

@Char2015 what evidence do we have that we can’t get all the kids back? There is a considerable body of evidence now (most recently from a study in Ireland) that children do not spread this and are certainly at very very low risk of it. The government panicked and responded to uneducated members of the public calling for schools to shut (“because kids spread germs”) rather than making a balanced assessment of The risks of closure v staying open. And now it’s pure politics keeping them shut....

rawlikesushi · 07/06/2020 16:08

"They could have had small lessons on the school field during the hot weather, PE lessons outside, small group lessons in the hall, if you are vulnerable obviously don’t attend, staggered pick up times."

Small lessons? Do you mean splitting classes into two groups? Where are all the extra supervising adults coming from, especially if vulnerable teachers are allowed to stay at home.

Barbie222 · 07/06/2020 16:10

They could have had small lessons on the school field during the hot weather, PE lessons outside, small group lessons in the hall, if you are vulnerable obviously don’t attend, staggered pick up times."

I don't understand - that's what we're doing? We can't open more widely until we're instructed to do. Feel free to copy the DfE with your email though - it seems like they need a nudge with the plan, not schools?

Fortyfifty · 07/06/2020 16:11

Agreed, and petition signed. I supported schools closing initially when I thought the plan was a hard lockdown to bring the numbers of new virus transmissions right down, so society could gradually be opened up with testing, track and trace and localised containment in place. I did not expect the government to be quite as diabolical as they have been, nor expected school and children's activities to be the last things to open up.

One of my DDs is in Y12. She's one of the dilligent, self motivated, independent learning type kids but even she's reaching her limit in terms of remaining motivated with no proper class tests, end of year exams, little homework. Most people need feedback to keep their motivation up. If I tell her she might not sit exams at the end of Year13, after all this, I don't know what will keep her going.

We have to stay balancing the risks. The risks of not having children back at school in September are far greater than the risks of them being there.

rawlikesushi · 07/06/2020 16:12

"Who are you thinking of then? The children? Clearly not."

Of course I am. I want them back to school safely. In stages, after assessing the impact of each stage because nothing is more important than keeping the rate of infection down and minimising unnecessary deaths imo. Because if your kids are suffering now, it'll be much worse if we've got to do it all again won't it?

dogwithmohican · 07/06/2020 16:13

This is an interesting extract from a blog by Ciar McAndrew, a junior barrister

"Strictly speaking, the right under A2P1 is a right to effective access to such educational facilities as the state provides. Currently, the only educational facilities being provided to most children come in the form of online classes and resources. Effective access to such facilities is likely to be much easier for some children than for others.

For example, the Good Law Project recently wrote to the Secretary of State for Education, highlighting the difficulties which children from disadvantaged backgrounds may have in accessing online learning due to the high cost of laptops, tablets and internet access. The Secretary of State subsequently announced that certain cohorts of disadvantaged children are to be given a free laptop or tablet, and 4G connectivity, in order to permit them to access online learning. See also Imogen Proud’s earlier blog post on this topic.

However, the categories of eligible disadvantaged children are relatively narrowly defined (as care leavers, those aged 0-19 with a social worker, and disadvantaged year 10 pupils). There are likely to be many children outside of this cohort whose families cannot afford a laptop or tablet, or who are required to share their device (and therefore their learning time) with siblings.

The problem has been recognised by the United Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child. The Committee has recently published a statement on the impact of Covid-19 on children, calling for states to “ensure that online learning does not exacerbate existing inequalities or replace student-teacher interaction. Online learning is a creative alternative to classroom learning but poses challenges for children who have limited or no access to technology or the Internet or do not have adequate parental support.”

Similarly, there is likely to be a significant cohort of children with disabilities and/or special educational needs who may find it more difficult or impossible effectively to access mainstream online resources. For example, children with visual impairments may require educational activities based around audio learning, whilst children with sensory needs are also likely to require specifically tailored activities.

The ability of some children effectively to access online learning and not others could, in principle, give rise to issues of discrimination on the grounds of socio-economic status or disability, contrary to Article 14 ECHR read with A2P1. For example, a local authority which fails to provide a disabled child with online learning in a form which is genuinely accessible is likely to be prima facie discriminating against them on the basis of their disability.

It would be open to the local authority to justify such discrimination. In order to do so, it would have to show that providing non-accessible home learning is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. Clearly, the need to curtail the spread of the Covid-19 pandemic, and the limited resources of public authorities during the crisis, will carry significant weight in any such analysis. In any given case, however, the local authority will be required to show that it has addressed its mind to the impact which failure to provide accessible materials will have on the individual rights of the child and balanced those rights against the interests of the community."

rawlikesushi · 07/06/2020 16:15

"The government panicked and responded to uneducated members of the public calling for schools to shut..."

And I would argue that they are under pressure from uneducated members of the public right now, only to reopen too quickly.

Personally, I am certain they'll all be back in September.

Bollss · 07/06/2020 16:15

Because if your kids are suffering now, it'll be much worse if we've got to do it all again won't it?

I don't think we will do it all again tbh. Hasn't France already said they won't? The economic cost is too high.

Char2015 · 07/06/2020 16:17

[quote ChippityDoDa]@Char2015 what evidence do we have that we can’t get all the kids back? There is a considerable body of evidence now (most recently from a study in Ireland) that children do not spread this and are certainly at very very low risk of it. The government panicked and responded to uneducated members of the public calling for schools to shut (“because kids spread germs”) rather than making a balanced assessment of The risks of closure v staying open. And now it’s pure politics keeping them shut....[/quote]
Don't spread it?

There are studies which show that children do spread it. It's not helpful to be saying they don't spread it when clearly they do.

Bollss · 07/06/2020 16:18

It's not helpful to be saying they don't spread it when clearly they do

There are many studies which suggest they don't, or at least not to any great degree.

It's not "clear" at all.

MeanMrMustardSeed · 07/06/2020 16:22

This is a very sobering read for anyone who thinks that opening schools fully and quickly isn’t a priority.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3931604-To-have-nothing-left-to-give-after-working-full-time-and-homeschooling-during-lockdown

schoolsoutforcovid · 07/06/2020 16:22

I would but I can't get past "rise up"

When did we all get so cringe 😬

rawlikesushi · 07/06/2020 16:26

"There are many studies which suggest they don't, or at least not to any great degree.

It's not "clear" at all."

If it's not clear, why are you advocating a particular - potentially dangerous - course of action?

No I think I'm going to go with SAGE rather than Mumsnet mums on this one.

Barbie222 · 07/06/2020 16:26

I don't think we will do it all again tbh. Hasn't France already said they won't? The economic cost is too high.

If we end up seeing 500,000 die on the second spike, because we won't /can't stop again, PLUS went through the first lockdown with all that entailed, there'd be a lot more unhappy people.

Speeding201700 · 07/06/2020 16:27

@garfieldisacat
I am a teacher and I am in the vulnerable group. I am type 1 diabetic. I want schools back.

Everyone thanks for this, PLEASE email your MP, Gavin WIlliamson and start shouting very loudly about it

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BogRollBOGOF · 07/06/2020 16:27

If necessary to have a localised shutdown to contain spread in a specific school, fine.

We are in a very different position of community transmission and testing now compared to when schools closed in March.

School is never risk free. Children catch illnesses in them all the time. A third of a class off ill in the winter rarely disturbs business as normal. Children have accidents on the way to and from school and often in school. At what point can we say school is "safe"?

Teachers are forever catching illnesses off children. One teacher at our school is particularly prone to complications of a certain common illness, so children with that have to be on anti-biotics and wait a few days longer to return when in her class to reduce her risks. Risk management has to be proportionate to the risk and the costs of management vs not managing it.

Bollss · 07/06/2020 16:28

There's already a lot of unhappy people. How many people are going to accept another lockdown? Not many.

I'm unhappy with the whole thing tbh. There is nothing left to be happy about anymore.

Bollss · 07/06/2020 16:29

If it's not clear, why are you advocating a particular - potentially dangerous - course of action?

I'm not? I said schools fully open by September. Not tomorrow. Don't get your knickers in a twist.

rawlikesushi · 07/06/2020 16:29

Mean, I had already read that thread. A lot of people are coping with a lot of shit. It doesn't mean we should make it shitter by increasing the R. I mean, I hate the idea of families suffering but I hate the idea of people dying unnecessarily even more.

Reopening schools is already a priority. It just can't be as immediate as some would like because it's got to be done gradually, to monitor the impact of the measure.

FixItUpChappie · 07/06/2020 16:29

"Yesterday there were 21 new cases in the whole of Scotland yet even in August, 2 months away, they won't be going back as usual. How low do cases have to be? If we're waiting for treatment/a vaccine, what if there never is one?"

THIS yes, exactly. Where I live we've been in the 20-30s for weeks.

They haven't even tried to see if hand washing stations and new hand sanitizing routines would help. If maybe masks, temperature checks, increased cleaning could work. They haven't even tried.

Yet all the talk here is about still not going back in September - over 2 months away.....or going back to some cruel joyless dystopian version of school. How about going back to some ridiculous half day scheme that will crush working parents and do little to compensate for the lack of an education?

How will that help the economy? How will half days decrease numbers where full days won't? How does any of this meet children's educational and mental health needs?

I think we've fucking lost the plot now, I really do.

Justgivemewine · 07/06/2020 16:31

@MintyMabel

I'm so glad there are more of us. We all really do need to make a loud noise about this. I have written to anyone that might listen now.

How fortunate you have the numbers.

I assume you’ve been doing the same for kids with ASD who have been denied an education for years?

@MintyMabel, glad it’s not just me thinking along those lines.

parents of children with SEN have been fighting for this for years on their own, suddenly all the NT children are suffering too and everyone is up in arms.

Go on then, Email your mp’s, go on protests etc, quote human right acts and educational law. 🤣🤣

Good luck with that........🙄
(Don’t hold your breath.)