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We need to rise up about the lack of education for our children

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Speeding201700 · 07/06/2020 09:54

Please do this. Please join the Twitter movement #usforthem
Please write to your MPs
Please talk about this.

Our children are missing out on their fundamental human right of an education.

The children of regular families are suffering (all 5 of mine are suffering desperately), but those in vulnerable families are suffering even further. The gap between these children will be HUGE

I am a teacher and a mother. I am ready to go back to work full time and with the 'old normal'. I am also type 1 diabetic.

Please help us rise up to get our children educated. Our children have been totally forgotten about. Throughout my career I've had it rammed down my throat about how school is a safe place for so many children. They don't care about these children now.

I am amazed so many people have just accepted this. It has gone on for too long now.

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CountessFrog · 08/06/2020 23:07

Excellent post nonotthatdr

Shallwedancetomojito · 08/06/2020 23:31

Hancock is ruining this country and our children's education this is not conservatism it's liberalism.

Astabarista · 08/06/2020 23:40

I don’t think key worker kids weren’t taught the normal curriculum out of spiteful protest or some devious ploy.

It’s because there was a mix of ages and mix of days that kids go in due to shifts etc. But mostly age mixing.

That’s the case at my school anyway from what my good friend who’s a nurse is.

She’s absolutely ok with it and was grateful they stayed open, took her baby one day in an emergency and even stayed open through Easter and half term.

Nonotthatdr · 08/06/2020 23:51

Asta

I don’t think it’s spite either (sorry post implying sending your kids into school meant you didn’t care for my back up)

I get it’s v hard to teach several different age ranges several different things. I’m not in any way expecting the standard it was before. I do expect some attempt to facilitate the home learning they are setting - after all parents are teaching multiple age kids multiple things while wfh as best they can. At the moment I would just like them to try (and to stop telling me off for not doing it with her in the evenings - although they have since I took her out two days a week).

Going forward into next year there needs to be a plan on how to teach keyworker groups if the children in them are to remain separate to their peers longer term, otherwise keyworkers are going to have to give up work to educate their children - and that completely negates the point of having keyworker priority in the first place

CountessFrog · 08/06/2020 23:55

It’s neglect, at this point

Myothercarisalsoshit · 08/06/2020 23:57

@CountessFrog

It’s neglect, at this point
Seriously? Hysterical much?
Nonotthatdr · 09/06/2020 00:03

Dippy

“ There has been little to no instruction from the government about remote learning, that's why schools are doing their own thing. There was no guidance produced for key worker and vulnerable pupils in school before 1st June other than the obligation to provide childcare.”

Why should schools need guidance to realise that they should teach their pupils ....I just don’t get it, I understand the specifics of how how and what exactly need guidance and will vary from school to school. But the fundamental idea that schools exist to provide education, why does that need specific guidance? Provide education in the best form you think possible to the children at home and in school. When the blasted government write some guidance try and adapt to it.

Some schools have done this, in many possible ways (I’m not a devotee of live lessons and if I remember your previous posts what you are supplying sounds fantastic) both for keyworker kids and those at home, personally I’d be happy with any reasonable attempt at provision. Other schools have flat out refused to teach anything to keyworker kids and not sent anything home. These schools really can’t be hiding behind the excuse of “the government guidance didn’t say we needed to educate our pupils” maybe they government thought that was so bleedin obvious they didn’t need to point that out? Did hospitals need guidance to realise they needed to provide healthcare? Or supermarkets that they had to provide food?

Eebahgumlass · 09/06/2020 00:28

Children play a very limited role in viral transmission as well as being little affected themselves - the SD measures which are causing all this disruption are completely disproportionate. Great thread here by Alasdair Munro a pediatrician and clinical researcher.

twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1269670885100748801?s=19

MP letter template available at UsForThem as well as open letter to Gavin Williamson re education and child welfare.

DippyAvocado · 09/06/2020 01:12

All the schools I know are teaching their pupils remotely Nonot. They're just not all doing it in one proscribed way.

echt · 09/06/2020 02:04

Other schools have flat out refused to teach anything to keyworker kids and not sent anything home. These schools really can’t be hiding behind the excuse of “the government guidance didn’t say we needed to educate our pupils” maybe they government thought that was so bleedin obvious they didn’t need to point that out?

My understanding is that schools cannot offer teaching to KW pupils that differs from that offered to distance learners. It's about equity.

Nonotthatdr · 09/06/2020 02:11

Echt

  1. Why can’t they then offer the distance learning to the kids in school. I have offered to provide a device if computer access is the trouble
  2. My dds year group had gone back. The rest of her year are getting face to face teaching. She is the one being disadvantaged not them

Dippy
Some of the kids I work with have had near nothing - one who has autism and an ehcp has had a sensory bag at the start of lockdown and one phone call where they quilt tripped the mum into not sending him in under vulnerable provison by asking “did she really want to risk his life for a bit of peace and quiet”. Others get a weekly email with some links to bite size and twinkl - the parentA don’t have printers to print the sheets so that’s no good. A local charity had organised devices for the kids but is now looking into printing the worksheets - why the school can’t do this I don’t know.

echt · 09/06/2020 02:51

Why can’t they then offer the distance learning to the kids in school. I have offered to provide a device if computer access is the trouble

If you mean the KW pupils then it may be that there aren't enough/any computers in the school. I was only outlining what I understand to be the general principle.

Kokeshi123 · 09/06/2020 03:20

But schools are currently giving out paper-based schoolwork packs to children whose homes have no computers!

Why can't the schools (the one that are not teaching key worker kids at all) give out these paper schoolwork packs to the keyworker kids, sit them at desks, and then have teachers circulate around the room helping kids out?

It's exactly what they do here in Japan, in the gakudos (childcare clubs). The kids of key workers have gone to childcare clubs throughout the school closure (schools themselves have been completely closed). The childcare workers at these clubs sit the kids at spaced out tables and supervise them as they work through schoolwork, and also go round and help the kids. These are not even trained teachers and they certainly do not get the same salaries at teachers---and yet they still see it as part of their job to make sure that the key worker kids some sort of eduction. They do NOT let kids color in and mess around all day long (of course there is play time and park time as well).

Teachers teaching key worker children need to be doing the same thing. I assume and hope that most of them already are, but it seems from this thread that some are not. I also saw one poster saying that their child was playing on tablets all day, which is horrifying.

I really don't care about "but it's hard to do it when it's a bunch of kids at different age ranges." Teachers are not being required to jump around teaching actual lessons to all these kids, just circulate and help with tasks. It is not much different to what a parent of several children is having to do right now at home, while doing another job at the same time. I have been to poor countries where you still get one-room schoolroom type schools, like I saw in Papua New Guinea. Teachers go around the room and deal with kids in twos and threes, or one-on-one if necessary. It's not perfect, but it is possible and it is most certainly better than no education at all.

Kokeshi123 · 09/06/2020 03:58

30kids in a primary class
1 - SAHM engaged in education, bright child, only child, wants both paper and online resources plus stretch and challenge.
2 - SAHM engages in education but has 18 month old twins as well as additional school child. Bright. Will need to do significant amount of work online whilst mum is occupied. Wants 70% online, 30% paper.
3 - SAHM with aged grandparent with dementia who needs 24 hour care. Bright. Wants 80% online, 20% paper.
4 - SAHM with additional toddlers at home. Struggling family as father is 0 hours contract. No internet other than phone. Wants 10% internet, 90% paper
5 - SAHM single parent managing 3 under 6 an an abusive ex. No tech other than a PAYG phone that frequently can’t be afforded a top up. Parent struggling, easier to put child in front of TV. Wants 95% paper, 5% online.
6 - mum dead, dad disabled, grandma trying to help but can’t manage the technology and struggles to make sense of lessons sent, 100% paper.
7 - full time working from home professional parents, child with moderate autism diagnosis. TV and internet used to keep child quiet whilst they work. 100% internet based.
8 - 2 working parents, both worried about losing their job. Secondary school sibling. Only 1 laptop in the house. 100% paper to allow older sibling to access school work. Not very bright, needs simplified worksheets that have to be sourced/created from scratch.

....every child got their own story. Every parent demanding their own personal circumstances are taken into account. In class, individual learning needs can be supported, differentiated work and books, challenging activities for G&T students, resources ready around the room, TA support at least some of the time. Teacher now expected to manage 30 individualised learning plans, manage photocopying and delivery of packs, all whilst working on a key worker rota, managing own children and elderly family members, weekly phone calls to all students, Mark and track progress in every child you can’t actually see to ensure that next week’s individualised pack remains relevant whilst taking into account all family updates that occur during the week eg. elderly grandparent now in hospital so child doesn’t need work and parent will take offence if you dare to deliver your pack...,

As a PP said, the very idea of pandering to all this is baffling. Especially since the kids who are at home are not getting all this individualized specialized provision---why would it be expected because the kids are physically in a classroom?

Just hand out the same paper schoolwork packs that are currently being delivered to the kids who are at home and have no computer at home. Explain to parents that the teacher will be buzzing around the room supervising and helping out but that actual "teaching" is going to be very minimal at best.

If anyone wants specialist provision, fine. You tell them to get their own textbooks and workbooks and send their child in with them every day with a clear plan of what to do, and explain that you cannot be expected to teach their child, you will be supervising the room and encouraging the child to work on their tasks along with the others but that is about it.

Here in Japan, some of my friends have sent their children in with English study work, which they want their kids to do once their regular schoolwork tasks are finished. Of course the supervising staff are not expected to help out with this! They just circulate and keep the kids focused. They sometimes help out with the regular schoolwork if they can but do not actually teach lessons. It all works fine and the KW kids have at least been getting some kind of education, even if it is not perfect. And these are not even trained teachers.

I'm just really stuck by the oddness of "We can't provide a million different endlessly variegated lessons that are exactly tailored to each child, so let's do nothing."

user1972548274 · 09/06/2020 05:30

Thank you to those posters who so clearly highlight the sheer hypocrisy and selfishness of the foot stampers demanding their old normal back.

Old normal has gone and good riddance.

Put your energies into building something new that works for all children rather than clamouring for one that threw children on the scrapheap on a daily basis.

S1nkorSw1m · 09/06/2020 06:51

So no more primary kids in now and secondary not until September at the earliest. I could weep. What exactly are we supposed to do if we work and have secondary aged kids?

We can’t carry on leaving them unsupervised. It’s causing mental health and educational issues. Like many I am shouldering all the stress of my own children at home whilst working at a job I love with a tiny number of children. Women and children are suffering here. There is zero support. Nothing.

But hey pubs, shops and hospitality sector will be opening. Can see the government’s priorities loud and clear.Angry

Who are going to be looking after all these kids with parents in the hospitality sector who will now not have a parent to teach and supervise at home? Even more children are going to be left unsupervised.

It’s an utter shambles. All of my children are going to end up unsupported with shit exams, shit mental health and a shit future. But hey pubs are opening.Angry

They are gambling with the well being of the nation’s children. No schools then no pubs, shops and holidays. You open schools first and then the fripperies.

Weepinggreenwillow · 09/06/2020 06:56

more bad news to come today I fear.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52969679

It is an absolute total disgrace. The harm being done to the nation's children and young poeple will be felt for many many years, and poor academic attainment will be but a tiny part of it . Sad Angry

StrawberryBlondeStar · 09/06/2020 07:00

Absolute disgrace, but not a surprise. Friend has a Reception starter (Autumn 2021) and had an email from the school yesterday saying that most likely they will be going back to a termly intake.

So her summer born child won’t start school till April 2021. So one term of Reception. She doesn’t know how she will pay nursery fees for 2 terms now and that’s if she can find a place.

bombaychef · 09/06/2020 07:08

My kids are not being educated as both of us are working. I can't get a KW school place as no room. Younger child is showing signs of a break down. He's angry and violent. I worry about the long term impact on him.

MrsArchchancellorRidcully · 09/06/2020 07:15

I've written to my mp and will look at the #usforthem website. Cross does not even begin to cover it.

My DS is 8 and has gone from being engaged at school plus 6 sessions of football a week to zero. He hate remote learning. He will not engage. I am working ft from home and do not have the time to teach him. It's a shitshow. We've ended up paying for a weekly zoom lesson from a private tutor to give him something ( our head emailed me when I mentioned this to say ' I'm glad he's enjoying his tuition WTAF??!! You don't see this is a problem?)

But seriously this has to end. Will it take a March, a petition, a protest? What? Infections dying away, little evidence kids are carriers. Stuff getting fucking Alton towers open, get the kids back full time in sept.

Why is this country not shouting about the lack of education, the lack of mental health considerations. It's like we're all drugged!!!

CountessFrog · 09/06/2020 07:16

Such a needless situation.

bombaychef · 09/06/2020 07:22

Our school set some remote stuff once week but it all needs parental involvement and help. No use to me as I can't do that for two DC of different ages whilst working myself (as is DH). Plus shop, cook, laundry etc. No one has checked they are ok. HT knows they aren't as I've told them but hit a brick wall...

loulouljh · 09/06/2020 07:24

How do we get a journalist to pick this up? There is a really growing outrage on this...

Weepinggreenwillow · 09/06/2020 07:27

we need protests at this stage. Everything else is being ignored. It is an absolute national outrage.

bombaychef · 09/06/2020 07:35

MrsArch mine is the same. As are most of his 8year old mates. None engaging in any school work. Missing physical challenge. Showing signs of depression and lashing out and anger. I'm angry they they are left with nothing. Two parents working FT under huge pressure and a sibling who is a different age: only so long they can suffer playing only with a sibling