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Serious problems and sanitation issues caused by the closure of public toilets.

22 replies

HeIenaDove · 05/06/2020 18:24

inews.co.uk/news/coronavirus-covid-19-public-toilets-lockdown-lifted-crohns-asda-2875080

A man with Crohns was told he couldnt use the toilets in Asda.

And Natasha Preskey writes for the i newspaper about the issues with meeting outside with no loos available (readable screenshot of the article in tweet)

twitter.com/NatashaPreskey/status/1268846776158760960?s=20

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lesbihonest · 05/06/2020 18:36

My gynaecologist has also been tweeting about this - saying it means certain folk just can’t leave the house . I rely on self catheterising - I can’t really go out at all until they reopen toilets, or at the very least disabled ones .

lesbihonest · 05/06/2020 18:38

Well - I can go out, but only for a limited time and only if I limit what I drink, make sure I catheterise before I leave . My bladder is very small (~50ml), so it’s bloody difficult !!

Teawiththat · 05/06/2020 18:41

It is stressful, thankfully the toilets locally have remained open (and actually have soap for once), and although I can see why some have closed, i don't think some people realise the implications for some people, that it confines them to their homes.

Teawiththat · 05/06/2020 18:43

Just read Asdas response, there's no queues for the toilets themselves because they're closed in that store, and there's big queues outside Confused. Not sure why they don't see the issue for someone.

KaleJuicer · 05/06/2020 18:46

It’s really disgusting at the beach - no loos. Hundreds if not thousands of people. My son stepped in “dog poo” then I pointed out it was a dog free beach Sad

KaleJuicer · 05/06/2020 18:47

I’m sorry I’ve just realised that didn’t sound very sympathetic to people who are reliant on toilet facilities to leave the house. I really am and I hope toilet facilities, starting with disabled facilities for those most in need, open ASAP.

HeIenaDove · 05/06/2020 18:50

I have an overactive bladder and need to go really often. Its even worse when on my period.

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scheffsm · 05/06/2020 18:58

Very very bad idea to close public toilets. Surely the health issues arising from people shitting and pissing everywhere are far worse than the risk of corona from people using the toilets. If people disinfect their hands before using them and wash hands properly as well after using them the risk is minimized somewhat.
Glad I live somewhere else where they did not close any toilets.

Holothane · 05/06/2020 19:01

I refuse to leave my street until toilets are open.

Ginfordinner · 05/06/2020 19:03

It's disablist and whatever elseist. Surely they can open the toilets and put notices up that people use them at their own risk?

HeIenaDove · 09/06/2020 18:17

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HeIenaDove · 10/06/2020 21:22

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/10/closure-of-public-toilets-causing-anxiety-distress-and-frustration-across-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Closure of public toilets causing anxiety, distress and frustration across UK
Guardian investigation and survey also finds situation is causing significant health risk

The ongoing closure of many public toilets across the UK is having a serious impact on wellbeing, limiting people’s capacity to exercise freely or visit loved ones, and creating a significant secondary public health risk as people have no option but to relieve themselves in the open, a Guardian survey and investigation has found.

With reports of bushes in city parks stinking of urine, and human excrement in sand dunes, readers across Britain have described their anxiety, distress and frustration as public toilet closures – coupled with the absence of alternatives in bars, restaurants and public buildings – curtails their daily movements.

This is especially the case for women, who are taking extreme measures such as deliberately dehydrating themselves or find they are confined to home during their period. A pregnant woman from London told how she developed a urinary tract infection after being unable to find a toilet on a trip to Hyde Park. For those with health conditions and disabilities that bring continence problems, the situation is even worse: some describe themselves as essentially housebound. Key workers and volunteers making lengthy round trips to deliver essentials are likewise affected.

As some public facilities start to reopen, a chaotic picture emerges with local officials struggling to balance exponential demand with public safety and without clear guidance from government. Public facilities have been badly neglected or shut in recent decades, and the remaining network is under huge pressure to quickly adapt often older buildings that are not easy to modify for distancing requirements or new technology like sensor taps.

While Scotland’s national parks have called for urgent guidance on reopening public toilets safely and consistently, local councillors for beaches and beauty spots across England have expressed frustration at Boris Johnson for encouraging people to drive significant distances, but not providing specific guidelines on reopening toilets or support to upgrade to ensure safety of residents and visitors

John Saunders, the mayor of Windemere and Bowness, Cumbria
We are desperate for advice and assistance. Our local toilets are used by up to 350,000 visitors each year, but there’s been very little information from larger councils or government apart from ‘wash your hands’.

We’ve had an influx of visitors but there are so many difficulties that for now we only have plans to open the disabled toilets as these are individual cubicles. We’re really worried that public toilets could be a very serious problem that will spread the covid virus around again.

There are funding problems but the main thing is health and safety. Cubicles need to be cleaned, potentially after every visit, which means the toilets being closed for 15 minutes every time somebody leaves. Hand-dryers have to remain off because if someone doesn’t wash properly they can spray infected water everywhere. There’s no way we’re going to satisfy the millions who come in August, especially if more people are staying in the UK for their summer holidays

Emily, Leith, north Edinburgh
I live by the shore, a heavily populated area with lots of pubs and bars. Some are now operating as ‘takeaways’, selling draught beer in large four-pint milk jugs and attracting large numbers of customers on sunny days.

Fair enough, but none of these establishments are able to open their bathroom facilities, and with no public toilets open anywhere nearby, people are relieving themselves down the quiet residential side streets, including the street where I live. In just one hour on Saturday evening, I counted over 25 men pee against the side of my house.

I feel conflicted, as I am glad these smaller local businesses have been able to find a way to continue functioning during this tricky time, but this is deeply unpleasant. With pubs potentially not reopening indoor spaces until later, it could be a long hot stinking summer

Sam Griffin, Wirral
I do feel the loo lockdown is discriminatory. I understand why they have done it, but throughout lockdown the needs of disabled people have been overlooked and ignored.

The assumption now seems to be that people going out to beaches and parks will be able-bodied and continent. I enjoy visiting the coastline and country, but I have continence issues and public loos are are still closed in Wirral, so there’s no chance for me of anything but a brief five-minute look at the sea. I have a radar key but that’s useless if disabled toilets are bolted.

Access to toilets, including standard ones - is generally awful, but lockdown has made going out impossible. I think there is a perception that ‘not being able to hold it’ is infant-like and pathetic, rather than a serious need. So it isn’t taken seriously by people who’ve never had to plan their day around where the toilets are.
Marie, London
I’ve had to use the bushes and hidden corners, which is really embarrassing. Holding it in is also physically painful and not good for your urinary tract, but I’ve had to suffer for hours, since there aren’t many places you can squat in privacy in the city.

In some parks, certain bushes end up as designated loos with a queue to use them. It’s depressing – they are littered with discarded tissues and nowhere to wash your hands, which feels really strange given all the advice.

I live in a small flat with no garden, so I need to be outdoors to keep my sanity. When I go outside I basically have to purposefully dehydrate myself, which feels awful and is not healthy, especially on sunny days

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PeanutButterKid · 10/06/2020 21:39

aren't public loos still accessible if you have a RADAR key (can buy on Ebay, I think?)

NameChangeForThisOneToday · 10/06/2020 21:44

It's really tricky. I have something wrong with me (don't know what yet as under investigation but now on hold because of coronavirus) that means I need to pee alot, and urgently. No access to public toilets has been v. tricky.

I'm sorry to say my DS has needed a number 2 a few times while we've been on walks recently, and as all public loos shut, he's has to make do with bushes.

Not pleasant for anyone. We need our loos back!!

Floralapron · 10/06/2020 23:24

I have an overactive bladder and when we are out on walks I am just going wherever I can, in the bushes, in woodland etc

B1rdbra1n · 11/06/2020 00:01

It's just so insulting to put us in these impossible situations, I'm not too badly affected but I don't really want to be out of my own home for more than a couple of hours to be on the safe side☹️
It feels as if they've done it on purpose but slyly as another way of 'incentivising' us to stay at home
And it feels like a barbaric form of punishment☹️

B1rdbra1n · 11/06/2020 00:03

The shewee type devices are quite useful but still it's just not sanitary to have everyone relieving themselves outdoors☹️
especially at a time when we're all supposed to be focusing on hygiene because there's a pandemic on🙄

OnABeachSomewhere · 11/06/2020 00:13

In just one hour on Saturday evening, I counted over 25 men pee against the side of my house.

That says it all. Presumably there were, somewhere, 25 women whose need was just as great. The rules on closures are likely to have been decided by able-bodied men of working age. Yet those most affected are women, children, disabled people and the elderly.

B1rdbra1n · 11/06/2020 00:16

🤢🤮

Msmcc1212 · 11/06/2020 08:06

If loos opened they would be an infection risk but advice could be given to anti bac hands and loo seat before going in (tissue paper rather than throw/flush away away wipes or we will have all sorts of other issues) then wash hands thoroughly on leaving. Doors propped open so no need to touch. Open windows to ventilate and only one person at a time ... I’m no expert but that’s got be low risk enough? There have however been outbreaks linked to a small hospital toilet with no ventilation.

Grand Canyon treks - no loos and you are not allowed to leave anything - here are tips: In the meantime take tissues, wipes, anti bac and some dog poop bags and take the mess home for the bin! Or use tenna lady type things if you can. For catheter changing that’s much harder and I can’t think of a way round it. Sorry.

Wales and Scotland have a five mile limit to help with this issue but that still seems a bit far from a working loo for me!

Msmcc1212 · 11/06/2020 08:11

’I'm sorry to say my DS has needed a number 2 a few times while we've been on walks recently, and as all public loos shut, he's has to make do with bushes.‘

Once is fair enough. May be even twice. A few times - you really need to prepare! Leaving human excrement in the bushes is unacceptable. You could have used bags. In same situation with my DC on a long woodland walk he has pooped into a plastic bag - or I’ve picked it up in a bag - just like you have to with dog poop. it’s gross but not as gross as an exploring toddler stepping in human poo when exploring in the woods!

ITonyah · 11/06/2020 08:11

Toilets are open now at the beach near me. Queues are long though due to social distancing so people are still shitting in the bushes, using loo paper to wipe their arse then leaving the loo paper behind so it blows around everywhere.

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