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Surgical masks are also needed for the public, not just cloth masks

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Kokeshi123 · 31/05/2020 14:20

Cloth masks, including homemade ones, are much better than nothing at all---any kind of physical barrier, even a cotton scarf, is helpful for reducing the transmission of the virus.

However, paper surgical masks are superior to cloth ones, as this figure sets out. What's more, my own experience is that paper surgical masks tend to feel lighter and more comfortable in hot weather. I also have no doubt that they would make face covering easier for at least some of the people who are finding it difficult or uncomfortable to wear a cloth mask.

The countries which have been most successful in combatting COVID19 are predominantly making use of surgical masks for the general public, more than homemade cloth ones. My own feeling is that if we are serious about wanting people to wear masks through the hot months of summer, it might be wise to ensure that people have supplies of paper masks as well, so that people at least have an alternative if they find cloth masks too uncomfortable, and have the option of switching things up a little.

There has been a lot of contradictory public dialog about masks during this pandemic. In the early days, people in most Western countries were being told not to wear masks because they should "leave them for the healthcare professionals." As time has gone on, the message has started to change to "Leave professional masks to the professionals, and make your own mask from cloth." It does seem that stigma still lingers around the idea of wearing surgical masks, based on a continuing sense that wearing such a mask is taking them away from healthcare workers.

However, the example of many Asian countries should suggest that it is not too hard to greatly ramp up the production of surgical masks. The Taiwanese government (as soon as it heard about an "interesting" new coronavirus in China) basically went straight to the mask manufacturers and said "We will offer you a big injection of cash to massively increase production. In return, you need to let us control half of what you make and create a rationing system." In Japan, we import most of our surgical masks from China----we now have too many of them and shopkeepers are complaining that they have all these boxes of masks out front and can't shift them.

Clearly there are ways to ramp up production. I'd suggest that it might be an idea to do this on a large scale before the weather starts getting hot.

FWIW, I am generally a huge advocate of reusable everything (use washable nappies, washable cleaning clothes, carry my own coffee bottle and water bottles everywhere), but make an exception for masks because I want to be both safe and comfortable in hot humid weather.

Surgical masks are also needed for the public, not just cloth masks
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rhubarbfizzy · 01/06/2020 07:34

As @kokeshi said from Japan : If widespread mask-wearing can help the UK to open up schools and businesses earlier than otherwise, then the UK should be embracing this. It's a low-cost measure which appears to be effective. I do find it rather odd that many in England have a real dislike of masks and are prepared to argue against them until they’re blue in the face. On our walk yesterday all the overseas - americans, italians, taiwanese, french, german - were wearing masks but very few english. From overseas it is like Hmm

oralengineer · 01/06/2020 07:39

Most “surgical” masks available online (eBay,Amazon) are NOT the ones used in hospitals or healthcare settings. They may look the same but they are cheap fakes.
Currently the surgical fluid resistant masks used in PPE are in very short supply, most are on back order and anyone expecting to see a dentist next week when they are due to reopen are going to be disappointed. Until correct surgical masks become available they can’t reopen.
And before anyone points out they should be prepared most practices were asked to donate any stock of PPE to NHS at start of lockdown. Since then PPE has been almost impossible to source.

R1R2 · 01/06/2020 11:45

That chart is useless in the context of masks for the public, the virus may be 0.3 microns but it doesn't travel alone, it will travel as part of a aerosol considerably increasing the particle size. The chart is also pointless because to filter out small particles coming in you need a tight seal around the mask so it has to be a FFP style respirator not a something with gaps around the edge.
Masks for the public are to stop you spreading the aerosol particles around not to filter the air you breath so regular materials will stop and catch the majority of particles being expelled. This is why its important for the majority to wear them.

walkingchuckydoll · 01/06/2020 11:53

For masks to be effective, they would need to be changed several times per day and people would need to wear them properly, and dispose of them properly. Almost no members of the public meet this criteria.

If we can teach people how to wash their hands, we can teach people how to wear a mask. It's not rocket science.

StatisticalSense · 01/06/2020 12:13

@walkingchuckydoll
You can teach people to wear masks, but you won't be able to convince anybody that buying literally hundreds of masks is more important than eating. Many people would be faced with the choice of buying masks or buying food and clearly food has to be the option chosen in such circumstances.

Namenic · 03/06/2020 02:49

Pretty sure re-usable cloth one and/or face shields (if mask not possible) worn by everyone indoors is better than nothing. Just have it as a requirement to enter buildings and public transport.

Inkpaperstars · 03/06/2020 03:52

They are easy to come by,. If the nhs is short that shouldn't be the case.

They are expensive though, depending on how often you go out.

All masks are so hot, saw so many people in London yesterday pulling them up and down. I was scathing till I got out of the car, then I was doing the same just to cool my face. Not good because inevitably cross contamination between hands and masks, esp on public transport.

Quite like them though, saves time on make up, just do eyes 💁

Inkpaperstars · 03/06/2020 03:55

Most “surgical” masks available online (eBay,Amazon) are NOT the ones used in hospitals or healthcare settings. They may look the same but they are cheap fakes

Ah, missed that but v interesting oralengineer, that would explain he availability I am seeing then. Fortunately a relative bought a box (of cheap fakes I guess) in China and has donated a few to me.

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