who are the new cases & where did they get contract it

[mumwon]

What I wonder is who is contracting coronavirus in the UK & how did they get & what was the source?
This is particularly relevant regarding the opening of lockdown & whether & how soon & how severe the second wave is likely to be.
ie how dangerous is it?
Does anybody have any access to those kind of stats?

It all makes a difference. More so perhaps for those living in airport cities but their lives matter as much as everybody else.

Sweden, for example, is currently badly hit. It's very basic common sense to realise travellers arriving from there are an infection risk. Without quarantine. Most other counties clearly have the common sense we don't. The UK is one of the only countries without border restrictions during the pandemic.

My ds came down with Covid on the 31/3 he works for PHE and was using the train and tubes to get there so feel that is where he picked it up, nobody else in our house got it, although i did have sore throat and headache about 5 days after he became sick.

www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/29/coronavirus-symptoms-not-isolating-sage-track-and-trace

nobody else in our house got it, although i did have sore throat and headache about 5 days after he became sick

So you probably did have it...

The stories of people int heir 40s dying scare me.

I go days convincing myself its fine to go out (distanced walks etc but at mercy of others) and need to loosen up and then read of the odd person in their 40s . I do have underlying risk factors (several) but nothing that should stop me living to retirement normally.

Only person I know who has had it is DS whose partner is a doctor and most of DS's friends are doctors, DS said a couple of those had had it. DS went down with it a few days after his DP had tested positive

Pineapple - it is scary hearing both the cases of people in forties dying, and also developing long term conditions.

It’s important to note the relative risk though to not over scare yourself. In the last 2 weeks 27 people under the age of 80 without underlying health conditions have died of covid.
35 under 40s (3 of which under 20) and 244 under 60s with no underlying conditions have sided of covid in England to date. It’s 198 under 40 and 2058 40-59s including preexistinng conditions.

These are tragic, and not to minimise the thousands of deaths for people with preexisting conditions, but risk is comparatively really low.

People refuse to isolate. That’s how it spreads.

People refuse to isolate. That’s how it spreads

Not everyone shows symptoms 🤷🏻‍♀️

It’s important to note the relative risk though to not over scare yourself. In the last 2 weeks 27 people under the age of 80 without underlying health conditions have died of covid.
35 under 40s (3 of which under 20) and 244 under 60s with no underlying conditions have sided of covid in England to date. It’s 198 under 40 and 2058 40-59s including preexistinng conditions.

That's with lockdown - the numbers of "young" dying would be a lot higher without lockdown.

If the 8,000 new cases doesn't include hospital inpatients or carehome residents then does anyone know the figures for those areas ?

Jonathan Van Tam was asked this question yesterday in the daily press briefing and he said that he had no idea where people are still contracting the virus and that they need to get to the bottom of it.

Also were all those 8,000 tested and got their results on the same day ? So say were tested last Monday and got their results on Friday.

Hospital and care homea do account for a lot of it. As pp said, I believe, if a patient or worker comes home and passes it to their family, thats classed as a community transmission. But it came from a care setting.

A family member works in an NHS mental health unit. One of the wards is high security as the people on there have commited fairly, horrific crimes but are not well enough to be in prison.

2 patients have recently been diagnosed. Its assumed that they caught it from a staff member who didn't have symptoms. All staff have been tested, 2 had but weren't showing symptoms. It could be the case they caught it off the patient or the member of staff that gave it to the patient, rather being the ones that brought it in.

One of those staff members lives in a shared house with 5 other adults, who are now being tested. Those adults could have it and not have symtpoms, or not started developing them yet and passed it on during shopping, committing etc.

Those 5 adults will be classed at a community infection, potentially so will the other they have infected. But it all started in a care setting.

Kazzy - yes numbers have indubitably been smaller due to lockdown. However still, for an under 40 there have been 35 deaths so far for people without underlying conditions out of how many cases in this bracket, 500,000? 1m? The risk is not 0, but it is still very low, probably comparable to road death risk across a year?

This is an interesting article about Washington recent cases shifting to the young as they relax lockdown.
I’m not decided if this is inevitable as the economy opens - young people not in high risk accept the risk and kick start the economy whilst higher risk groups remain shielded - or whether this means lockdown needs to be stricter for incident rates to fall.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/half-of-newly-diagnosed-coronavirus-cases-in-washington-are-in-people-under-40/%3famp=1

Given that recent figures show that 50% of those WITH symptoms are not isolating I think it is fairly obvious.
This makes me so angry.
This is why I was so angry with Dominic Cummings, that he travelled the length of the country with covid and had numerous opportunities to spread it. Fucking selfish git. Even just walking across the pavement to the car they could have bumped into someone. I'm appalled anyone could be so selfish to not isolate knowing that someone they infect could die. I just don't understand the mentality.

I think all the hospital and care home staff living their lives with their families and going about their business in the community once their shifts end ( rightly so- what else are we meant to do ) is a huge factor in transmission and new cases.
A lot of the people I know who had Covid ( care home environment- staff) had thankfully very mild symptoms/ no symptoms and had been going about their daily life, to supermarkets, dropping shopping to vulnerable and daily walks whilst working too.

my thought were - are infections really low enough to allow for this loosening of isolation - I know of people who are supposed to be shielding who are going to the seaside - it worries me that we will have another deep second wave -
When you work it out the number of people who have had it are proportionally in stats terms - so there is no real "herd immunity" (if in the case of corona that is valid, there are some doubts on that)
Professor Tam is great, I think a truly honest man who isn't intimidated judging from two of his remarks; ie everybody should obey the rules & opening of isolation is a dangerous time