So many mums, dads, NHS on the list of deceased ...

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Here is a list of some of the mums, dads, nurses, doctors, NHS, grandads, grandmas and others lost to covid, so very sad and tragic

www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2020/may/28/so-much-living-to-do-stories-of-the-uks-coronavirus-victims

I had a read through this today. Very sobering and sad, especially for those siblings or partners who both died, and for those with young children.

It's so unbelievably sad. I really fear that the importance and lives of the dead will start to get forgotten or dismissed as the fatality totals continue to rise.
I'm so saddened by and ironically I'm fearful of, the few people who are making it an identity trait to ignore guidelines and call others scaremongerers, fear spreaders etc for wishing the unnecessary spread of this hideous virus could be stopped. Not directed at anyone here particularly but there are some where i live shouting noisily about it when local children have lost their mothers or fathers. It's like they don't matter.

Here is a list of some of the mums, dads, nurses, doctors, NHS, grandads, grandmas and others lost to covid, so very sad and tragic

Where is the list of some of the mums, dads, nurses, doctors, NHS, grandads, grandmas and others who have died of other causes? It's irrelevant what they died of when it comes to sadness.

Oopsdaisies They'll be in the obituary section of your paper. Hth.
Many covid deaths would've been preventable in many ways, and people are still spreading it around.

People are of value even if they aren't parents. All of these deaths are desperately sad

So sad and sobering. Feels like reading a list of names on a war memorial. Cannot fathom that this is here and now in our times

They'll be in the obituary section of your paper. Hth.

Not necessarily.

Deaths from covid are no sadder than any other death.

It's the sudden increase in deaths that's shocking

I don't know why some people keep trying to minimise such a large number of extra deaths

I want schools & businesses to resume on 1 June, but I don't feel the need to diminish all these tragedies, or to pretend "it's just flu"

In fact when I read such crap, it makes me want to stay quiet about my fears for the economy,
because I don't want to be associated with such people.

People are of value even if they aren't parents. All of these deaths are desperately sad
Yes but no.
A dead parent leaving behind young orphans is sadder. It's not about the value of the person, but the suffering their absence will cause to survivors. And a child's suffering is harder to bear than an adult's. Not "fair", but that's how humans are wired: the young ones matter more.

BigChocFrenzy indeed.

Some amazing stories in that link.
The man imprisoned as a child in the a concentration camp, much later in life declared bankrupt with debts of £118m!

Oh look another kick in the teeth for people without children.

Everyone's life has value. To start deciding that certain groups - parents, NHS workers, have more value than other groups is disgusting.

The UK’s handling of this has been a shambles and many more people have died as a result of this. We were still flying people to Italy to Ski when Italy was closing down. We have made a mess of this. As an island we could have done so much better.

If I lost my dad, I would be devastated. I would be no more devastated, now he works in the NHS, or when he was in the police. I wouldn't have been less devastated when he was retired before joining the NHS.

Its incredibly sad for young children, whose parents die, when they are young. It changes their whole life. But that persons life isn't worth more. The families and friends of those without children will be just as devastated. Their lives will also be changed forever.

But since a lot of these are grandparents. As they are grandparents, their children aren't young. The odd few may also have a young child and adult children.

The problem is with these lists, is that its ranking people in importance.

I don't like it.

The problem is with these lists, is that its ranking people in importance.
You do understand that those numbers by the names are their ages, not a rank or sadness score?

Surely nobody would think it was a numerical ranking?

I came across the most insensitive person recently, or maybe just with a severe case of foot in mouth "At least they didn't die from covid" about an elderly person who had died. What difference does it make?

(not said about one of my relatives, about somebody they had heard about who had died)

You do understand that those numbers by the names are their ages, not a rank or sadness score?

So why were these people on the list and others weren't?

What @SecretSpAD said

First thing I thought when I read the OP post was oh well wouldn't matter if I died then as I have no kids. Not important.

A woman was knocked over and killed by a car on a street near me yesterday. #

She was someone's mum, sister, aunt, friend, daughter, cousin.

But that doesn't matter because it was just a boring old run of the mill car accident not the super-interesting global PANDEMIC.

Maybe those without children fill their lives with more friendships? I know kids have held me back from hobbies/activities and socialising

So just as many people touched by the death of childless people really.

Maybe those without children fill their lives with more friendships

What about our families? I'm a daughter, a sister, a wife, an aunt to several nieces and nephews - including two that we have parental responsibility following the death of their mother. I also a godmother to 5. A volunteer, an employee (ok not at the moment as I'm doing consultancy).

I have a life that, if it ended, would leave a hole in many people's lives.

I never wanted children, I have no regrets about my decision. But my choice not to have them does not mean that i am in anyway less of a person than a parent.

I do find it annoying when the media reduce women to our reproductive choices.

@Trevsadick

You do understand that those numbers by the names are their ages, not a rank or sadness score?

So why were these people on the list and others weren't?

Were their stories made public? Out of the people I know who died, 3 were made public (2 for locally well known & 1 NHS) and others weren’t.

TheDrsDocMartens what evidence do you have that people without children, who don't work for the NHS have not had their stories made public?

You think the only people whose stories are public must have kids or work for the NHS?

Honestly what incredibly bizare sniping!

All deaths are sad, yes obviously. What's the whataboutery agenda going on in this thread?

The list is meant to give a human angle to a vast number.

This is always valable when tens of thousands have died avoidably or indeed in a natural disaster, all close together in time and/ or all of the same cause.

There are stories or lists like this when people die in wars, terrorist attacks, plagues, mass shootings, tsunamis. Also when people have died of a preventable cause which is often ignored - domestic violence for example.

The human mind can't properly grasp "60,000 dead" or "362,000 dead" or even "412 dead", but the human mind can grasp that someone with a relatable biography has died.

Biographies of people who have died well before the average life expectancy or left particularly vulnerable or relatable people grieving, make this real.

Apparently some posters object to things being brought into focus in a very standard way.

@Trevsadick

TheDrsDocMartens what evidence do you have that people without children, who don't work for the NHS have not had their stories made public?

You think the only people whose stories are public must have kids or work for the NHS?

I was suggesting rather than stating. I’ve no idea. They do seem to make more coverage of parents ‘poor children lose mother’ or NHS staff ‘hard working nurse’ etc. Don’t get many ‘88 year old man without family who lives alone and used to work in an office’ type posts. S