Are the housing estate red zones from Years and Years going to become a reality.

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Cant see how this could be enforcable just based on income and housing tenure.

Nah. Bending facts

Well the headline made it clear it was offices, schools, hospitals that could also be locked down. Why focus on housing estates and make up stuff about income and tenure?

Dont know if you noticed Zebra but i worded it as a question. And there are people on Twitter saying they hope its council estates that get locked down.

I need to drive through a council estate to get out of my road...

... I think it means more if there is a localised outbreak then a small area (almost certainly centred around a particular school) will be locked down to prevent people running off to their second homes or seeking emergency childcare - spreading the virus as they do.

The headline about estates could as easily be about new build fully privately owner nice estates as much as it could be housing estates, but the Mail know it will put the idea of council chavs spreading covid-19 into the minds of people (fact that people doing things like covid-conga have been in nice areas as well as not to nice areas is beside the point.

It plays to people's base emotions about council 'scum' deliberately.

As well as probably trying to stoke the idea that we are living in a dystopian present like Years and Years.

It's very clever. And I'm sure that Years and Years is a direct reference too.

Thanks @RedToothbrush Thats exactly what i meant. It puts the idea of council estates in peoples minds. Youve explained it better than i did but i was already still angry about the weekends revelations and then i saw that.

Despite the fact it wasnt poor people from social estates that kept flying off on ski trips after the virus had already been well publicised Ditto second homes but i have already pointed this out already

I did say on early threads that there would be an attempt to do something like this but the weekends revelations have likely speeded it up.

I think it's a good thing generally but... Look at WSM busy beach then they all get locked down hardly fair on the residents. (Although an incentive on both the cafes/restaurant and shops etc to maintain distancing or youll be shut down.). And maybe for the council to maybe only open half the parking or none if it is going to be too busy.

If you did have local lockdown though everyone would need to ensure they have enough food.

It is what Germany do.
But i would prefer masks mandated so spread was less

It's actually enforceable if you lock down an estate. Don't expect it to extend to addresses in nice parts of Islington or Westminster though...

... It might well be the only enforceable strategy the government has left after privileged dickhead shattered good will.

Totally and completely unenforceable and will never ever happen!

By the time anyone realises there is an outbreak in or around a certain housing estate or industrial area/office block, the virus would have spread far more widely, making any sort of lockdown impossible.

This is just a story to make us all think the Govt has a plan for any second wave that doesn't involve going back to nationwide restrictions.

Might be better if they focused on bring down our super high infection rate, did a u turn and started using the google/apple app that works......

That would involve an adequate Track and Trace system that has so far eluded them.

Fuck's sake, this is scaremongering. Mind you, in recent weeks we've all seen some directives that we'd not seen before.

Like a tweeter says, it's a virus, not a nuclear bomb!

Sure it's irrelevant anyway.

Everyone who is locked down can just drive out with their children, announce they are going to get "specific childcare" and head off wherever they like.

I know that it was mentioned that areas could be locked down but I think that is unenforceable. Plenty of people do not work or go to school in the area in which they live. It could only be shutting particular businesses or schools.

As for everyone on a particular housing estate or area self isolating for 14 days - people won't comply with it. I wouldn't unless I believed I had been in close contact with someone who had it because of the hardship it would cause within our family.

Shutting in residents of specific apartment buildings was one tactic employed in Wuhan.

I wouldnt be surprised.

They did mention local lockdowns in the questions about Cumbriaoutbreak.
To be fair you can block the Furness peninsula off with a car accident/flood/snow on the A590 which happens regularly anyway.

What is the point of track and trace if its not to take lockdown measures where an outbreak is found?

We wouldn't get Wuhan levels of lockdown, but if you had a localised outbreak centring on a school, then yes it is likely that people in that area would be locked down again to avoid spreading it else where.

Otherwise we risk another national lockdown which needs to be avoided at all costs.

I am surprised that people are surprised by the suggestion tbh. Localised lockdown is something that has been talked about by ministers for a good couple of weeks.

However its not likely to Years and Years style lockdown.

"We wouldn't get Wuhan levels of lockdown, but if you had a localised outbreak centring on a school, then yes it is likely that people in that area would be locked down again to avoid spreading it else where."

My child doesn't attend a local school or mix with any children that do so we would have nothing to spread.

If you watch Sky news on a Thursday at 8pm and the clapping it's the people who live on residential streets that seem unable to social distance. Us who live on housing estates clap whilst leaning out the windows of our 45 floor tower blocks 👏👏👏

It still doesn't make sense to me.
How can they talk about local lockdowns - to stop infection spreading. Yet our airports are wide open with no restrictions or checks whatsoever. Hundreds of thousands of international travellers heading off from airports on busy public transport. But talk of stopping far fewer numbers travelling internally to second or holiday homes. Are some areas more worthy of protection? Lives in non airport cities more valuable?

I assumed they would be locking down counties not a couple of square miles. What's the point if you're not doing it properly.

I am surprised that people are surprised by the suggestion tbh. Localised lockdown is something that has been talked about by ministers for a good couple of weeks

Lol! this Govt has talked about quite a lot of things, none of which has even remotely happened.
Talking is something they are very good at, most infamously PPE.....

For weeks now they have talked about antibody testing, even ordering 3m kits, now Roche have a working test, we still can't get it up and running, they talked about it happening this week.........it's now going to be next week! i won't hold my breath!

We've a virus that is asymptomatic for up to 14 days, any localised spread won't be by the time symptoms start appearing.

Listen (to Robert Jenrick) and weep.

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/robert-jenrick-local-lockdown-coronavirus/

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Housing Secretary Robert Jenrick has admitted "local lockdowns" will be tougher on the more disadvantaged in society, as they tend to live in closer proximity to one another

I haven't yet read the article but will shortly.

I live on a council estate but we chose to send our daughter (reception age) to a school in a much nicer area. This is such an awful way to divide children by socio-economic situations.

If the council estates lockdown my daughter won't be able to attend school whilst her peers do - it will be very different to now where they are all in a fairly equal situation. I would assume there are other children who may find themselves in a similar situation.

Secondly nobody here appears to have been following lockdown at all from day dot (I have but my home faces onto a square in the centre of the estate), I very much doubt people would pay attention.

** This sentence should have been on the end of following paragraph.

This is such an awful way to divide children by socio-economic situations.

**really need an edit button 🙈