Is it ok to meet friend and her kids for a outdoor picnic this week (half term) ?

[betterlucknexttimer]

What do you think? Obviously the kids will interact if we meet, as they are under 5 they won't social distance. Would be friends two kids and my two kids.

And this is why the bubbles at school are pointless, we all know many people will mix outside them.

I find it a bit frustrating. I’m a teacher and I live with a vulnerable child. I’ll have no choice but to be exposed to any extra risk this creates, but never mind as long as it’s low risk for the families involved 🤷‍♀️

DC said himself that the rules require you to exercise reasonable judgement.

ie stay at home and do not leave your house and do not travel to another place to isolate = drive 260 miles to Durham while infectious.

Personally I would abandon the rules and use “reasonable judgement”. If that is good enough for the government why shouldn’t it be good enough for everyone else?

I did last week. Do it if you want. I’ve had enough now.

@Lemons1571 exactly and the rule regarding staying home if you have the virus actually made sense unlike many of the current ones. I still don't advocate abandoning the rules and doing anything like that but to risk assess and decide on an outdoor, rural, socially distanced picnic is not comparable.

I think i would do it if I were you. I'm now veering towards exercising judgement on meeting people after 9 weeks of socially isolating with my family in my house.
If i can soon go to any retail shops, an open air market or buy a car and some kids are going back to school, then how much extra risk can meeting friends in the park be?
Go and enjoy the catch up OP.

I am torn, I don't want to feel the daggers when out, but I don't want to be the fun police either. I've seen others on group picnics or big extended family ones since we've been allowed to travel. And yes I've been jealous and maybe I've judged a bit too. I haven't seen anyone else or family and yes it's getting a bit lonely and boring for the kids. Hmmm ?

So you lack a backbone to say no and it's just easier to be a leeming and do what everyone else is doing?

Why are you even asking?

You are clearly going to do it anyway. You know it's against the rules. This thread is just looking for justification to do so and enough people to say 'do it' so you don't feel guilty and can say 'well loads of people said they'd do it too'.

Isn't it?

I'm so fed up of people thinking of 101 reasons why the rules don't apply to them cos they are special in someway without a drop of thought to social responsibility. It's all about what I want to do.

Before this crisis lots of people said there was no community. Then at the start of the crisis people made a big song and dance about how there really was. Lots of people saying how great it was and how they hoped it would continue past lockdown. This just highlights how it won't.

It's more depressing than lockdown.

OP, there’s little point in asking on here or any other social media outlet. Everyone has an opinion ranging from if you leave your house you’re a murderer to the lockdown is pointless and I’ve been socialising all along, and every thing in between. No one can either give you permission or make you not go, you have to make up your own mind based on your assessment of the actual current risk level.

**Personally I would abandon the rules and use “reasonable judgement”. If that is good enough for the government why shouldn’t it be good enough for everyone else?

Because DC is a stupid selfish twat and put other people’s lives in danger. Please don’t be like that!

And this is why the bubbles at school are pointless, we all know many people will mix outside them.

I find it a bit frustrating. I’m a teacher and I live with a vulnerable child. I’ll have no choice but to be exposed to any extra risk this creates, but never mind as long as it’s low risk for the families involved

The bubbles were about science and rely on enough people respecting the rules.

But we are now no longer respecting the guidelines and 'following the science'

We are now 'exercising judgment', without thought as to how the virus isn't restricted to ourselves, because some dickhead in government fancied doing something different and thought he was above it all.

If I were a scientific advisor to the government who was advising on behaviour I'd be spitting feathers right now.

In real life most people would do this. on Mumsnet it’ll be “You are LITERALLY killing people!”
Do it.

It’s against the rules.
But in reality, poses little risk.

No

I stuck to the rules for a long time but I’ve recently done this. Kids didn’t social distance at all when playing.
I think part
Of it is to do with the government not even mentioning when we might be able to see friends or families. If they had given a possible date I would have waited.
But as it stands, all our mental health was suffering, it doesn’t look like my kids are going back until September and I wasn’t willing to let them go 6 months without contact with other children for what is such a minimal risk to them.
Plus everybody else seemed to be doing it, it just felt like I was the only one still sticking to the rules and I almost felt silly for doing so.

I can’t tell if those saying it’s fine if they’re going back to school are saying just fuck it because schools are opening or if they genuinely are thick.

Look up the R rate, what it means and what influences it.

School bubbles are max of 15. If each of those 15 mixes with 2 other children then you have massively increased the size of the bubble.

It is not the same risk as going to school. It’s adding another risk into the mix. If everyone does this it increases the risk for those children (and teachers) going to school.

Nursery have asked us to confirm we have been sticking to all the guidelines before returning. It’s not fair to expose all those other families who have been.

But if you feel comfortable with all of that then go ahead. See you at the second wave.

It's amazing how many people come on here asking. It's quite clear that the rules are you can meet one other person outside, if you keep 2m apart. So obviously not, if she has her kids with her and they are too young to keep apart.

Why ask when you’re clearly going to do it anyway?

Read this, and then decide. www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/5/22/21265180/cdc-coronavirus-surfaces-social-distancing-guidelines-covid-19-risks?fbclid=IwAR1SPbPLRBc0NtMEfhZXjkKMOC3uLo8U4Ko92pG5-rZCJzTZjZbZ2sUmoBw