No mention of families again

[Thewheelsonthebus23]

Non essential shops opening, schools opening and car dealerships, but no mention of seeing family again. I thought we would be able to at least ‘link up’ with one other household

Well I will be seeing my family regardless of the rules I'm afraid. I will be doing it from a distance, outside etc but I'm not waiting any longer. My mental health is really suffering from this now and if we're sensible about and only once a week or so then there shouldn't be an issue. This needs to come now otherwise there are going to be greater concerns.

@redolent kinda irrelevant. If the droplets aren't there in the first place they can't be transmitted by any method.

Seeing family and friends without social distancing is phase 4 in the Scotland plan, so way down the line. Use your own judgement, I think.

Why would anyone be touching the doors to get into and out of shops. The vast majority of such doors are automatic and it's not exactly difficult to prop the rest open. Chip and pin pads are an issue but are not exactly difficult to wipe between transactions, and many transactions will be below the contactless limit in some stores.

@wherestheotherone if you have children you need to think about their health and care like a certain person....

It’s that weird thing where your kids are in a bubble at school then Boris says you can mix with one other household. I’d be reluctant to pick my parents who are over 70 as by the time all 14 other kids in the bubble have mixed with one other household the risk goes up exponentially!

@Hazelnutlatteplease

I mean, if I were you I’d see my mum tbh. But a lot of people don’t have common sense and wouldn’t be able to guarantee that kind of isolation. So you don’t legislate based on the outliers.

I'm breaking lockdown Thursday...off to my parents (not vulnerable) for a bbq... can't bloody wait!

Yes, those kids are in a bubble in school and so are some of their siblings and any of their parents working out of their homes and all the family members of all the people in those bubbles too, including children in bubbles at school etc, etc.

My parents are in their 60s and I'm so paranoid about killing them i will wait a while and see how it goes for everyone else. If they were younger I would totally visit!

The hugging granny comment is interesting, My DD is returning to work in a nursery on 1st June and been told that if a child needs a hug they will get a hug, which is understanderble as they are only small and need comforting, but it does seem a very mixed up situation when they cant hug anyone in their family who is not from their household but can hug a nursery worker. To be honest I find all the guidelines so confusing at the moment.

Ministers are said to be considering plans to let people hold barbecues and garden parties with family and friends from the end of next month.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/11706074/boris-johnson-phase-two-lockdown/

1Pinkfluffyelephant the difference is between need and want. You need to go to work and therefore children need to be in school so parents can work. You want to visit people socially, but that is a 'want' so is less urgent.

Hadn't seen this thread as I started something similar , I thought we may of had a slight easing in regards to f &f too and I'm quite disappointed
I'm hoping as others have said there is more to come
I'm not expecting major changes but maybe being able to meet a few more outside social distancing etc

@stastical but Ireland have allowed meeting off more and doesn't appear to of affected there R rate as of yet

Jenasaurus same thing. They need to be there so parents can work. It's not ideal, but we can't avoid it. We can avoid social visits to family

Ministers are said to be considering plans to let people hold barbecues and garden parties with family and friends from the end of next month.

They can consider whatever they like. Huge numbers of people will now be using their ‘instincts’ and doing that anyway (unless they are shielding for specific health reasons of course)
If it’s good enough for the elite to pick and choose without comeback, Joe Public will simply do the same

That’s so depressing. I really hope it’s not just for garden parties. People need to be able to hug their partners. I don’t want need big gatherings. Just one person. We’ve had such good weather so far - you can guarantee it’s going to rain for weeks soon. Plus not everyone has a garden.

Economy focused because the mindless are doing what they want anyway and the government won't be seen as encouraging that in public. They couldn't enforce it anyway after cutting all of that funding. Use your own common sense, they're not looking out for individuals and their families.. perish the thought!

"Joe Public will simply do the same" Joe Public certainly will as Joe Public is stupid.

I'm really pissed off with politicians who have set a bad example because I know the hard-of-thinking will copy them.

@lasttrain no some people do need to see others , mental health reasons etc
As for schools they aren't all going back so many can't go back to work
They aren't back full time it's a right mish mash
As for seeing older people my Nan is 87 and being on her own in lockdown she is now finding really hard and thinks maybe she should judge wether she has family over social distancing or risks becoming ill as she said she doesn't know how much longer she has and to think if something happened tomorrow her last few months are ones sat at home on her own isn't a nice thought either
For those wishing to still self isolate that's fair enough as well
In shops you will be touching items that others have touched so
There will still be slight risk

Our parents are in their 80s. I don’t need guidelines to tell me that it’s not safe to visit them yet.

The formal review is this Thursday, when hopefully something would be announced. Boris is just giving shops, car dealerships etc the heads up to start preparing, especially as social distancing is still in place and it’s a week to get ready for 1st June

I also think that shielding people need to be continue to be protected if that's what they want to do and helped to stay at home if they want etc

Ministers are said to be considering plans to let people hold barbecues and garden parties with family and friends from the end of next month.

Fabulous. I don't have a garden. Neither does my boyfriend or my only local close friend. To get to a friend or relative who does have a garden I would have to get on a train, and I assume that is still discouraged.

I am getting a bit fed up of people saying the various suggestions of bubbles wouldn't work for them personally, therefore they shouldn't happen. Joining with one other household would be pretty useful for quite a lot of the almost 8 million people in the UK who live alone. For people who have several households they could join with, have a discussion with those households and decide who most needs to see another household. Is someone in real need of childcare? Is someone particularly lonely or struggling with their mental health? Choose them. If you can't choose them choose nobody. And if you do choose, it isn't going to be forever, either you would gradually be allowed to add other households, or when we reach the end of lockdown you will get to see the others.

That said, I do quite like the idea of being allowed to see one household every 1 or 2 weeks, to allow time for symptoms to show, or for asymptomatic people to limit how fast/far they spread it. It gets round the whole issue of not being able to decide on a household, without telling people they can just see whoever they like whenever they like and risking too much virus spread.